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184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Sat May 13, 2017 6:18 pm

I haven't fixed the governor in my 184 I purchased last year, thus nio mowing with it. I'm ready to fix it. The output shaft is loose and springs back well. The linkage from shaft to carb is incorrect and junk. But the lever that the throttle attaches to is tight. It almost doesn't move. I can move it by prying it. So what am I looking at here? Never have been inside once of these governors . . rust? damage? that would cause the input lever to virtually not move? and it doesn't move at all with the throttle cable.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat May 13, 2017 8:24 pm

First, soak the lever that the throttle rod from the quadrant lever connects at the governor with your favorite penetrant and get it freed up so that it works easily within its full range of motion with the throttle rod disconnected. This is the first step before you tackle any other linkage issues. The governor itself does not usually have any problems. The rockshaft and linkage back to the carb will probably need some adjustment after you get the other linkage freed up.

EDIT: I just realized that the info posted above about the throttle linkage would be for a FCub. Sorry! I know the number series uses a cable instead of a rod. MY MISTAKE. The other information still should apply to your 184.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Sat May 13, 2017 8:52 pm

I need to buy a rod from the rockshaft to the carb as it was a POS that was cobbled together. It was not the correct piece at all. So you think the lever that attaches to the throttle cable can be freed from the outside of the governor? If so cool. I will mess with it.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby staninlowerAL » Sat May 13, 2017 9:17 pm

petesponies wrote:I need to buy a rod from the rockshaft to the carb as it was a POS that was cobbled together. It was not the correct piece at all. So you think the lever that attaches to the throttle cable can be freed from the outside of the governor? If so cool. I will mess with it.
First let me say I edited the answer above. Sorry for the mistake. As far as freeing the lever that the throttle cable attaches onto, yes you should be able to soak it and work it on the shaft to free it up. I've done several that way. Also in an extreme case the lever might need to be removed, cleaned and lubricated, then reinstalled. I've never had to go to that extreme. Except for the cable on the number series and the rod on a FCub they are the same. There's several posts on the FARMALL CUB Forum about this subject. You might want to search for info there. Here's a picture of the rockshaft and lever part #11 that needs to be freed up.
gov throttle shaft.JPG

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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Sun May 14, 2017 11:27 am

OK thanks. This is just new for me, a Cub LoBoy ,so was just wondering how to go about it, whether I needed to remove and disassemble. I get it to day and see how it goes.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Sun May 14, 2017 7:21 pm

I messed with the governor for about an hour today. I got the lever moving much better, however, still not as free as I think it should be though.I can move it with teh throttle cable, but it will not return when the cable is moved in the other direction. So as I was moving the throttle lever and then pushing the governor lever back, over and over . . something happened at the throttle. Either the cable came out or it snapped. I can't get the steering wheel off, so I can't remove the dash to access the cable. One step forward, two steps back. So, next is getting the wheel off.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby staninlowerAL » Sun May 14, 2017 7:56 pm

I'm sure that others have had more experience with the steering wheel removal that me but here's what I did on my 154:
1. Removed the nut on the top side of the steering shaft, which is tapered and splined and matches in the tapered splines of the steering wheel. Soaked it with my favorite penetrant solution for a few days, replaced the nut and screwed it down to the end of the shaft to protect the threads.
2. Used a small sash cord with nylon center to form a "bridle" around the center hub and spokes of the steering wheel as close to the center as I could leaving about 18 inches of free cord above the steering wheel.
3. Using a 3 pt boom lift positioned at the angle of the steering shaft, I started pulling upward with the 3 pt lift at the same angle of the shaft after blocking the wheels of the 154 so it would maintain the pulling angle.
4. With the hydraulic lift holding tension on the steering wheel/rope "bridle" I used a large rod placed on the steering wheel nut and after a few hammer blows on the end of the rod placed on the nut the splines popped loose.
I hope you have the same good luck that I did.

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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Sun May 14, 2017 8:19 pm

Im a retired auto teacher. I have the pullers, but this wheel is damaged, so a typical puller won't work., I'll be welding on it tomorrow, it will come off :)
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby Larry B » Mon May 15, 2017 6:13 am

petesponies wrote:I messed with the governor for about an hour today. I got the lever moving much better, however, still not as free as I think it should be though.I can move it with teh throttle cable, but it will not return when the cable is moved in the other direction. So as I was moving the throttle lever and then pushing the governor lever back, over and over . . something happened at the throttle. Either the cable came out or it snapped. I can't get the steering wheel off, so I can't remove the dash to access the cable. One step forward, two steps back. So, next is getting the wheel off.

You can replace the throttle cable assy without removing the dash panel or the steering wheel. I did on my 184. Also little know thing is that there is a hole that lets you access the center pivot screw of the lever assy. You can get a 1/4" ratchet and socket up between the lever and left side of the dash. If you get an aftermarket cable assy you will need that. If you disconnect the spring and the throttle cable can you move the throttle linkage back and forth freely?

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Re: 184 Governor

Postby Eugene » Mon May 15, 2017 6:47 am

petesponies wrote:I can't get the steering wheel off.
Use the same puller to remove the steering wheel that you use to pull the engine's front pulley.

3 jawed pullers will probably break the steering wheel.

I have removed the steering wheel using Stan's procedure. Knees under the steering wheel, applying pressure, hard rap on the block of wood. Works sometimes. If not use the pulley designed to pull the engine's front pulley.
I have an excuse. CRS.

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Re: 184 Governor

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon May 15, 2017 7:04 am

Before venturing far into the cable, you may want to disconnect the cable at the front of the engine and work on the tight joints (#11,#8,#30 in the diagram posted above). My 184 has never had a "loose" feeling to these parts, the springs seem to keep things quite in check.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Mon May 15, 2017 4:02 pm

Larry, I can move the lever but with serious effort. I'm car guy, etc . . .but I looked up to the throttle control and can't see how I can get to it. I can barely see it.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Mon May 15, 2017 4:03 pm

Eugene, I use steering wheel pullers, not 3 jaw pullers. It isn't coming off any other way, trust me. 40 years in the auto restoration biz . .been there done that :)
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby petesponies » Mon May 15, 2017 4:05 pm

outdoors, the rock shaft is completely free. I think I posted that. It moves and springs back fine. Just the input lever is tight. It moves now, but is tight and certainly still will not spring back when moved.
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Re: 184 Governor

Postby staninlowerAL » Mon May 15, 2017 7:56 pm

petesponies wrote:outdoors, the rock shaft is completely free. I think I posted that. It moves and springs back fine. Just the input lever is tight. It moves now, but is tight and certainly still will not spring back when moved.

If you are referring to the part number 11 in the drawing above as the input lever, I've never seen one that will move in either direction unless it is pushed with the throttle cable. If you have to resort to removing it I think it is held in place by a very small roll pin. Search Dale Finch's post on this topic on the FARMALL CUB Forum. She posted several times about this subject about a month ago.


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