Help with First till.

Farming and rural life discussion forum. Cooking, hunting, gardening, fishing, critters, etc.

Moderator: Team Cub

Help with First till.

Postby 64/67lo-boy » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:10 pm

I will be tilling for the first time in ten years on a patch of land that used to be a vegitable garden in Maine. I havent visited the propeerty sence 1998 and I ecpect I will have alot of clearing to do. There was alot of hard woods growing. My question is what would be the best set up to use to break through all those roots in order to clear the way for plowing and planting. I have picked up a 67 cub lo-boy. I know I should have gotten a cub but the lo-bo was what caught my eye.

Pete form Virginia Beach
Pete from Virginia Beach


man comes into the world cold naked wet and starving, and after that things get worse. "Gun Smoke"
User avatar
64/67lo-boy
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 286
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:46 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Zip Code: 23453
Tractors Owned: 48 cub
67 loboy
52 super c
74 loboy 154
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sat Nov 29, 2008 8:54 pm

A disk plow is a good choice for tearing through roots, etc., but I don't think they made one that will work on a lowboy. Considering that I would get a local farmer with a bigger rig to plow it the first time, or maybe use a ripper to tear out the roots.
"The Constitution is not an instrument for the government
to restrain the people, it is an instrument for the people to restrain the
government lest it come to dominate our lives and interests." Patrick Henry
User avatar
John *.?-!.* cub owner
Team Cub Guide
Team Cub Guide
 
Posts: 19551
Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:09 pm
Location: Mo, Potosi
Zip Code: 63664
Tractors Owned: 47, 48, 49 cub plus Wagner loader & other attachments. 41 Farmall H.

Re: Help with First till.

Postby SONNY » Sun Nov 30, 2008 12:20 am

You will definatly need to get a bigger unit, and it may even require a dozer to clear it out for the firsr time!! thanks; sonny
SONNY
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 2244
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:26 pm
Zip Code: 00000

Re: Help with First till.

Postby 64/67lo-boy » Sun Nov 30, 2008 9:35 am

Ya I thought I may need to out source the first till. I was not sure how much work these little tractors are capable of. I was thinking of making my own ground ripper out of some 3/4 inch plate.
Pete from Virginia Beach


man comes into the world cold naked wet and starving, and after that things get worse. "Gun Smoke"
User avatar
64/67lo-boy
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 286
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:46 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Zip Code: 23453
Tractors Owned: 48 cub
67 loboy
52 super c
74 loboy 154
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby SONNY » Sun Nov 30, 2008 1:26 pm

If you have not seen the property in that many years, you will be shocked at the size these weed trees can make and there is no way a little cub could handle that size trunks/roots/stumps(if you cut the tops off)!---they take over very fast,-- or at least they would here!

You might check for a reasonable priced backhoe loader tractor in that area, too!--this would be another option.----hire it out might be the most practical, for the first clean-up then the cub would do a lot of small stuff that will get missed by the bigger machine! thanks; sonny
SONNY
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 2244
Joined: Thu Nov 09, 2006 11:26 pm
Zip Code: 00000

Re: Help with First till.

Postby 64/67lo-boy » Sun Nov 30, 2008 4:56 pm

Kind of makes you wonder how they did it before america became mechinized. There is a farmer down the road that has the heavy stuff, im sure he will trade some carpentry work for some plow work.
cant wait to see how the old property.

pete form Virginia beach
Pete from Virginia Beach


man comes into the world cold naked wet and starving, and after that things get worse. "Gun Smoke"
User avatar
64/67lo-boy
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 286
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:46 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Zip Code: 23453
Tractors Owned: 48 cub
67 loboy
52 super c
74 loboy 154
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby smigelski » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:31 pm

the way my grandpop and great uncle had my dad do it. A good mule or 2 and a shovel. They cleared 30 acres of overgrown peach and apple orchard.
smigelski
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 872
Joined: Mon Dec 10, 2007 8:46 pm
Location: NJ, pennsville
Zip Code: 08070
Tractors Owned: JD 4040
JD 301A
Ford 3910
Oliver 770
FCub 1947
Fcub 1952
Farmall 100

Re: Help with First till.

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Nov 30, 2008 7:37 pm

64/67lo-boy wrote:Kind of makes you wonder how they did it before america became mechinized.

Generally they cut down the trees then worked around the stumps. Stumps and rocks were the main reason there were vertical lift versions of the horse drawn sickle mowers.

As an aside, they couldn't just work around the stumps when they were digging canals all over the country in the 1800s. They came up with some ingenious machinery for dealing with them when the Erie Canal was dug.
User avatar
Jim Becker
Team Cub
Team Cub
 
Posts: 11972
Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 3:14 pm
Location: MN
Zip Code: 55319
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby Eugene » Sun Nov 30, 2008 10:28 pm

Some of the very old farm books, before tractors or motors, have photos of a stump puller. Its a hugh wheel on a much smaller axle. The axle is supported above the stump. The horses pull a rope rotating the much larger wheel. Chains around the axle to the stump.

When the French came to Canada and cleared the forests. They cut down the trees, farmed around the trees for several years until the roots rotted enough to remove the stumps. This method might be a solution.
I have an excuse. CRS.
Eugene
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
 
Posts: 12615
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:52 pm
Location: Mo. Linn
Zip Code: 65051
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby Baldmonk » Thu Apr 09, 2009 2:34 pm

Eugene wrote:Some of the very old farm books, before tractors or motors, have photos of a stump puller. Its a hugh wheel on a much smaller axle. The axle is supported above the stump. The horses pull a rope rotating the much larger wheel. Chains around the axle to the stump.

When the French came to Canada and cleared the forests. They cut down the trees, farmed around the trees for several years until the roots rotted enough to remove the stumps. This method might be a solution.


The old method was cut the trees and build a fire under the stumps. Even the Native Americans (eastern ones) used this. Most of the eastern farms / plantations used this method.
Baldmonk
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 32
Joined: Wed Mar 25, 2009 7:51 am
Location: Yorktown Virginia
Zip Code: 23692
eBay ID: slow-fisherman
Tractors Owned: 1964 Farmall cub.

Re: Help with First till.

Postby CapeCodCubs » Thu Apr 09, 2009 4:16 pm

I have to do the same thing. I'm just hoping my neighbor will bring over his back hoe and wreck havoc on the stumps and roots. Keep us posted. When are you coming up. You might still have frost?
Image
CapeCodCubs
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 2575
Joined: Fri Jan 11, 2008 5:30 pm
Zip Code: 02747
Tractors Owned: .
1948 F Cub Fast hitch
1949 F Cub
!950 F Cub Fast hitch

10 FastHitch implements
tons' of cultivating and planting stuff
Cub Middlebuster, Cub bean harvester
NOS Planet Jr. planter
172 planter, large combo hopper, 101A fertilzer hopper
Mott flail mower

Re: Help with First till.

Postby Jerry M » Wed Apr 15, 2009 1:54 pm

Don't forget T-N-T. :lol: :lol: :lol: That'll move'em.

Jerry
1951 Cub, 22 Mower, 54 Grader Blade, Danco International Belly Mower,
193 Moldboard Plow, #144 Cultivators, Disk Hillers, IH Two-Section Spring Tooth Harrow, #16 Middle Buster, #3 Field Cultivator, Hester Tractor Plow, 2 Disk Harrows.
User avatar
Jerry M
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 1105
Joined: Fri Jun 01, 2007 7:52 pm
Location: NC, Bayboro
Zip Code: 28515

Re: Help with First till.

Postby 64/67lo-boy » Tue Sep 08, 2009 9:34 am

Well I did it. Cleared two acres in two weeks. I sure am glad that there is a cold season up in Maine. It slows the tree growth down. My wife reminded me that it was twenty years since we were up there with a garden.

I cut the small stuff with the belly mower. The rest of it I had to pull out with a 20 foot lenth of tow chain. The tree tops were still brushing the back of the tractor as they came down. The trees were about two to three inches at the base. Mostly birch but I did have some spruce and white pine. They had better root system than the birch.

The little tractor did a great job. I also cleared the drive way (about 350 feet), and spread about twenty four yards of gravel I had delivered.

No garden this year, but you can bet next year I will be ready to plant.

What is the best green manure crop to plant? There was alot of pine trees were the garden was suposed to be. I figure it is prety acidic because of the pine and poison ivey crop from this year. I did not take any sampels to test.

I did run a bottom plow through the soil. it was pretty rocky and did not look like it would be very good for a garden, although we used to grow vegies there back in the late eighties
Pete from Virginia Beach


man comes into the world cold naked wet and starving, and after that things get worse. "Gun Smoke"
User avatar
64/67lo-boy
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 286
Joined: Sun Nov 23, 2008 2:46 pm
Location: Virginia Beach
Zip Code: 23453
Tractors Owned: 48 cub
67 loboy
52 super c
74 loboy 154
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby DanR » Thu Sep 10, 2009 6:34 am

All good ideas about the mechanical part of resurrecting an old garden. From the green side have a talk with your local extension agent. They know what kind of cover crop to plant in your area. Could be that a cover crop would not be advisable the first year. A soil test is the best thing you can do right now. Proper preparation this fall will be appreciated come harvest time. Keep us informed.
47 Cub (Glenda)
52 Super A
62 Cub (Genie)
43 H
42 M
In all things know which way the wind is blowing.
DanR
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 1631
Joined: Fri Dec 22, 2006 6:28 am
Location: Tennessee East
Zip Code: 37743
Circle of Safety Award
Circle of Safety: Y

Re: Help with First till.

Postby MaineDad » Thu Sep 10, 2009 7:23 am

Pete,

I wish I would have seen this thread earlier, I would of offered to take some pictures of the property prior to your arrival to help plan. Where in Maine are you? Up here, the rocks grow faster than the trees :lol:
Micah in Maine
1952 Farmall Cub
MaineDad
5+ Years
5+ Years
 
Posts: 401
Joined: Sun Nov 11, 2007 6:10 pm
Location: New Gloucester, Maine
Zip Code: 04260
eBay ID: mainewh
Tractors Owned: 1952 Farmall Cub
1963 Wheel Horse 753
1996 Wheel Horse 314-8

Next

Return to Farm Life and Better Half Forum

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests