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Postby Arizona Mike » Thu Dec 07, 2006 4:10 pm

This is from an email:

The following was written by Ben Stein and recited by him on CBS
Sunday Morning Commentary

Herewith at this happy time of year, a few confessions from my beating heart: I have no freaking clue who Nick and Jessica are. I see them on the cover of People and Us constantly when I am buying my dog biscuits and kitty litter. I often ask the checkers at the grocery stores. They never know who Nick and Jessica are either. Who are they? Will it change my life if I know who they are and why they have broken up? Why are they so important?

I don't know who Lindsay Lohan is either, and I do not care at all about Tom Cruise's wife. Am I going to be called before a Senate committee and asked if I am a subversive? Maybe, but I just have no clue who Nick and Jessica are.

Next confession: I am a Jew, and every single one of my ancestors was Jewish. And it does not bother me even a little bit when people call those beautiful lit up, bejeweled trees Christmas trees. I don't feel threatened. I don't feel discriminated against. That's what they are: Christmas trees.

It doesn't bother me a bit when people say, "Merry Christmas" to me. I don't think they are slighting me or getting ready to put me in a ghetto. In fact, I kind of like it. It shows that we are all brothers and sisters celebrating this happy time of year. It doesn't bother me at all that there is a manger scene on display at a key intersection near my beach house in Malibu. If people want a crèche, it's just as fine with me as is the Menorah a few hundred yards away.

I don't like getting pushed around for being a Jew, and I don't think Christians like getting pushed around for being Christians. I think people who believe in God are sick and tired of getting pushed around, period. I have no idea where the concept came from that America is an explicitly atheist country. I can't find it in the Constitution, and I don't like it being shoved down my throat.

Or maybe I can put it another way: where did the idea come from that we should worship Nick and Jessica and we aren't allowed to worship God as we understand Him?

I guess that's a sign that I'm getting old, too.

But there are a lot of us who are wondering where Nick and Jessica came from and where the America we knew went to.

In light of the many jokes we send to one another for a laugh, this is a little different: This is not intended to be a joke; it's not funny, it's intended to get you thinking.

Billy Graham's daughter was interviewed on the Early Show and Jane Clayson asked her "How could God let something like this Happen?" (regarding Katrina)

Anne Graham gave an extremely profound and insightful response. She said, "I believe God is deeply saddened by this, just as we are, but for years we've been telling God to get out of our schools, to get out of our government and to get out of our lives.

And being the gentleman He is, I believe He has calmly backed out.
How can we expect God to give us His blessing and His protection if we demand He leave us alone?"

In light of recent events...terrorists attack, school shootings, etc.

I think it started when Madeleine Murray O'Hare (she was murdered, her body found recently) complained she didn't want prayer in our schools, and we said OK.

Then someone said you better not read the Bible in school. The Bible says thou shalt not kill, thou shalt not steal, and love your neighbor as yourself. And we said OK.

Then Dr. Benjamin Spock said we shouldn't spank our children when they misbehave because their little personalities would be warped and we might damage their self-esteem (Dr. Spock's son committed suicide). We said an expert should know what he's talking about and we said OK.

Now we're asking ourselves why our children have no conscience, why they don't know right from wrong, and why it doesn't bother them to kill strangers, their classmates, and themselves. Probably, if we think about it long and hard enough, we can figure it out. I think it has a great deal to do with "WE REAP WHAT WE SOW."

Funny how simple it is for people to trash God and then wonder why the world's going to hell.

Funny how we believe what the newspapers say, but question what the Bible says.

Funny how you can send 'jokes' through e-mail and they spread like wildfire but when you start sending messages regarding the Lord, people think twice about sharing.

Funny how lewd, crude, vulgar and obscene articles pass freely through cyberspace, but public discussion of God is suppressed in the school and workplace.

Are you laughing?

Funny how when you forward this message, you will not send it to many on your address list because you're not sure what they believe, or what they will think of you for sending it.

Funny how we can be more worried about what other people think of us than what God thinks of us.

Pass it on if you think it has merit. If not then just discard it... no one will know you did. But, if you discard this thought process, don't sit back and complain about what bad shape the world is in.
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Postby Cub-Bud » Thu Dec 07, 2006 5:26 pm

I got a email not long ago containing some of the same text, but written by Andy Rooney of 60 Minutes.

:? :?: :? :?:
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Postby Kodiak » Thu Dec 07, 2006 9:55 pm

Thanks Mike,
I sent it to myself at work and will send it to some other guys that need it.

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Postby Phillip W. Lenke » Fri Dec 08, 2006 6:03 am

Excellent Mike
I have heard Ben Stiens takes, before, Excellent truths.
It is truley sad when sports/Hollywood so called stars are all the rage, I do not watch much television, but are'nt these the folks who are having the most problems? Drugs /alcohol/ marriage? They know how GOD thinks?
If we were to paint ourselves and carry on as some of the fans do at sporting events. Folks say they are GREAT FANS , If we stand for a moral standard as the Bible teaches, we are FANatics, But we go along silently, wondering if we will offend someone with Jesus,
GOD has given each of us a WILL ,he does not barge in, but if WE WILL, HE WILL shape it into his likeness through Christ, If we only believe that Jesus came to earth for us , was crucified for us and rose from the grave !
If they can deny his coming the first time, I guess they can deny his coming the second time.
NOT!
Nothing is more satisfying than to give, help, and pull up your sleeves for someone else need , and to see the joy that it brings, These truly are the greatest gifts.
MERRY CHRISTMAS to all here on the Forum
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Postby Little Indy » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:14 am

Right now this week on PBS here on Nebraska are two programs I recommend. One is From Jesus to Christ. On Frontline . In this program the early history of Christianity is treated a news story. While I don't agree with everything said I do agree with the overall thrust of the program. How did a small Jewish sect become the dominant religion in the Roman empire?

The other program is the Face of Jesus. It is about the many depictions of Jesus down through the ages.

Here, these programs will air once again

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Postby Rudi » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:47 am

One of the most moving writers today is a History Professor at UMichigan by the name of Paul L Meier. His books are absolutely wonderful and I can never seem to put then down.

Pontius Pilate is excellent and his Lecture Series is even more profound. Jesus: Legend or Lord ?not only is a faith based piece of work, but it is based upon sound geographical, scientific, historical and archaelogical research principles. Paul Meier proves beyond a shadow of a doubt that we Christians are the only faith on Earth who not only have a strong believe in God, but can actually PROVE our faith for the naysayers by quoting and referencing unequiovocable and irrevocable HISTORICAL FACT.. Many of the major faiths in North America are using Dr. Meier's Jesus: Legend or Lord ?, lectures as teaching materials. I am trying to recruit him for our 20th Anniversary year here in Moncton.. I hope he will answer us..

Yes it is amazing how a small Jewish sect could gain such popularity and acceptance and actually be the major religion at the end of the Roman Empire and contine over 2000 years after Christ's death. God does exists.. the only major problem with it, is that ever since the original fall, anything that Man touches in Faith usually bets broken.. that is why there are so many flavours..

Wouldn't it be nice to be just catholic, this term is almost always loosely used to describe the Roman Church, but actually the term catholic means to be one with the Body of Christ or simple put.. a Christian. Catholic also means the single church, again in the Body of Christ. All Evangelical Lutherans understand this as well as others such as Henry's political creation - the Anglican or Church of England. Many others of the protestant faiths (Lutherans are NOT protestants), are also catholic in nature....
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Postby Phillip W. Lenke » Fri Dec 08, 2006 11:59 am

We did a study on Apologetics, study of history, artifacts ,texts other than the Bible. as it parallels to Scripture.
Amazing to see the hand of God move.
Good Book to read A Case for Christ.
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