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What is a metal shaper good for?

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What is a metal shaper good for?

Postby Paul_NJ » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:02 pm

A friend of mine was asked if he knew anyone who wanted (for free) and old (electric and in good condition) metal working machine called a scraper, or shaper (not sure which). It is a 7" Ames. So he offered it to me. Apparently it surfaces a part by makes successive scrapes, and one thing it is used for is for making keyways on shafts.

I would love to find an old milling machine . . but I"m not sure what I could use this thing for. Don"t forsee many keyways down the line. Any suggestions of what it might be good for? Should I take it, or pass?
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Postby George Willer » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:09 pm

I have a 7" Atlas. I only use it for internal keyways. I don't know any other way to cut a keyway in a tapered bore. The Bridgeport works better for shafts.

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Postby Eugene » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:16 pm

Shaper. I'd pass. It's worth scrap value. That's why it's free.

A milling machine would be much more practical. I haven't seen one of those since the middle 60's. It was good for removing a lot of metal in a hurry from a flat surface. There are currently much better machines available to do the same thing with much more accuracy.

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Postby Paul_NJ » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:19 pm

George

Is there anything else I could use it for besides keyways, considering I don't have a milling machine.
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Postby George Willer » Thu Dec 07, 2006 11:23 pm

The shaper has a definite advantage in some cases. The tools can be hand ground much like lathe tools and work well, unlike milling cutters. Comes in handy if working on rusty metal.

A 7" doesn't take much shop space.
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Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Fri Dec 08, 2006 8:47 am

George Willer wrote: Comes in handy if working on rusty metal.
You mean there is another kind?
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Postby George Willer » Fri Dec 08, 2006 9:55 am

Paul_NJ wrote:George

Is there anything else I could use it for besides keyways, considering I don't have a milling machine.


There sure is! Before there were milling machines the shaper and the related planer were used to create flat surfaces. They're slower, of course, because they only use one cutting edge and they only work on 1/2 of the total stroke.

Larger shapers can be used to surface manifolds, heads and engine blocks... way beyond the capacity of a 7".

You might like it because of the inexpensive tooling.

They're an interesting toy if nothing else.

Maybe if you're lucky he'll give you something much more useful like a lathe. :D :D :D
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Postby LiL' Red » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:15 pm

If you have or can borrow a dividing head, you can cut splines and gears.

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Postby SONNY » Fri Dec 08, 2006 7:39 pm

I have a Rockford shaper,--the 5,000 pound 5hp. size 24" (?), never paid much attention to it,--it be one big/heavy mommie!!!
I never did find a lathe, still looking, have a regular key-way cutting machine too, and horiz. mill, never got to use them before spine went out, so now they just sit taking up space! thanks; sonny

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Postby Paul_NJ » Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:38 am

Well here is my new (free) machine, currently moved into my barn. Some day I'll find the time to get it working and figure out how to use it. Everything works (moves). Sometimes you just can't say no . . .

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Postby SONNY » Sun Dec 17, 2006 8:15 pm

Neet!! I like that! It will be lots of fun!---might get a book on shaper use and read up on what all you can do with them,---I think you will be surprised!!!
Mine is all hydraulic, but I like your setup better! thanks; sonny

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Postby Rudi » Mon Dec 18, 2006 7:12 pm

Paul:

I have been wanting to comment, but was hoping to see pics... YUP.. I remember those from my high school metal shop class... one of the first things we learned to use.. I remember plaining steel on that thang... some sharp :!: :D 8) 8) 8) very 8)
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