Shagbark Hickory

Anything that might not belong on the other message boards!

Moderator: Team Cub

Forum rules
1. Keep it clean.
2. Keep the discussion civil.
3. Name calling is not allowed.

Politics and religion are two topics that tend to degenerate into a violation of one of the three simple rules above.

The mods and the site admin reserve the right to "lock" or "delete" any discussion that in our opinion, is "heading in the wrong direction."

MOST of all, be respectful of your fellow Cubber's opinions. Don't expect to change someones belief system from a simple forum on the internet.
Bob McCarty
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 7595
Joined: Tue May 25, 2004 8:02 pm
Zip Code: 80501
Tractors Owned: Cubs, MH Pony, Shaw, Allis G, 1934 Silver King, JD LA and LI, Gibson D, David Bradley Tri-Trac
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: CO, Longmont

Shagbark Hickory

Postby Bob McCarty » Sat May 03, 2014 11:02 am

A friend of mine is looking for some 8/4 to make Model T spokes from. Anyone have a mill or source where he might get some? He's found 6/4, veneer and thinner boards, but needs the 2" for what he's going to do.

Thanks, Bob
"We don't need to think more,
we need to think differently."
-Albert Einstein

User avatar
Barnyard
Team Cub
Team Cub
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 19951
Joined: Tue Aug 07, 2007 3:39 pm
Zip Code: 45030
Tractors Owned: At This Time
40 Farmall Cubs (Round Hood)
2 Farmall Cub (Square Hood)
2 IH Cubs (Square Hood)
5 Lo-Boys (Round Hood)
2 Lo-Boys (Square Hood)
2 Farmall 404's
1 Farmall H
1 Ferguson 20
1 Cub Cadet 125
1 Kubota B-7100
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: OH, New Haven (Hamilton County)

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Barnyard » Sat May 03, 2014 11:15 am

Bob, try Wilhelm Lumber at 812-576-3380. That is the local lumber mill I get all my barn wood from. If they have it, you could pick it up while you are here.
It is common sense to take a method and try it. If it fails, admit it frankly and try another. But above all, try something.
- Franklin D. Roosevelt -

Circle of Safety

User avatar
grumpy
10+ Years
10+ Years
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 2781
Joined: Tue Jan 10, 2006 12:03 am
Zip Code: 15522
eBay ID: grumpysales
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: PA. Bedford (Centerville)

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby grumpy » Sat May 03, 2014 11:16 am

Hope someone can help you on that. Unless someone has it laying about, he will end up having a mill special cut it for him. Grump
David Dee Mock-Leonard

Nothing is foolproof to a sufficiently talented fool.

Some days it's not worth chewing through the restraints

Eugene
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 15057
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:52 pm
Zip Code: 65051
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Mo. Linn

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Eugene » Sat May 03, 2014 11:25 am

In the Midwest, hickory is a relatively common tree. Need to check with the local lumber mills.

Also, there are specialty retail lumber stores selling exotic woods. Purchasing from the specialty wood stores will be very expensive. Better to check with local lumber mills. Local lumber mills, if they have the hickory, can and will mill, cut, to desired dimensions.
I have an excuse. CRS.

User avatar
Boss Hog
Cub Pro
Cub Pro
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 10192
Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:35 pm
Zip Code: 23962
eBay ID: dmb2613
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: VA. Randolph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Boss Hog » Sat May 03, 2014 12:08 pm

There is a mill about 5 miles from here I will check soon as I feel better
Boss
IN GOD WE TRUST
All others pay cash
Boss Hog
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely byJohn Emerich Edward Dalberg

User avatar
Boss Hog
Cub Pro
Cub Pro
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 10192
Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:35 pm
Zip Code: 23962
eBay ID: dmb2613
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: VA. Randolph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Boss Hog » Sat May 03, 2014 12:12 pm

they cut a lot of cross ties should have som
IN GOD WE TRUST
All others pay cash
Boss Hog
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely byJohn Emerich Edward Dalberg

User avatar
Boss Hog
Cub Pro
Cub Pro
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 10192
Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:35 pm
Zip Code: 23962
eBay ID: dmb2613
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: VA. Randolph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Boss Hog » Sat May 03, 2014 12:21 pm

good choice of wood, no way will it split :D
IN GOD WE TRUST
All others pay cash
Boss Hog
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely byJohn Emerich Edward Dalberg

Bob McCarty
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 7595
Joined: Tue May 25, 2004 8:02 pm
Zip Code: 80501
Tractors Owned: Cubs, MH Pony, Shaw, Allis G, 1934 Silver King, JD LA and LI, Gibson D, David Bradley Tri-Trac
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: CO, Longmont

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Bob McCarty » Sat May 03, 2014 12:24 pm

Boss, my friend is kind of a purist and he figures if shagbark was good enough for Henry, it's good enough for him. He can buy spokes, but when you have 12 per wheel, it adds up quickly. He does some turning and other than the tapers into the hub, they aren't real complicated.

Bob
"We don't need to think more,
we need to think differently."
-Albert Einstein

User avatar
Boss Hog
Cub Pro
Cub Pro
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 10192
Joined: Mon Oct 24, 2005 8:35 pm
Zip Code: 23962
eBay ID: dmb2613
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: VA. Randolph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Boss Hog » Sat May 03, 2014 12:38 pm

yep, when it comes to heater wood, we would leave the larger parts in the woods,shaggy bark hickory does not split even with a splitter it cuts it into :D
IN GOD WE TRUST
All others pay cash
Boss Hog
Power corrupts; absolute power corrupts absolutely byJohn Emerich Edward Dalberg

Criswell
5+ Years
5+ Years
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 203
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:17 pm
Zip Code: 48180
Tractors Owned: 1952 Cub with
- 54 Blade
- 193 Moldboard Plow
- Woods 59 C-2 mower

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Criswell » Sun May 04, 2014 12:37 pm

Take a trip over to http://www.mtfca.com The Model T Ford Club of America. You will be able to find out all you need, including plans on building the wheel press that will be needed. The last set that I had done I had gotten from Calimers Wheel Shop, $150 for a complete finished wheel, #1 clear hickory and all I had to do was paint them. You won't find a better wheelwright for anitque automobiles than Bill Calimer.
Where you are, right now, is of absolutly no use unless you are able to get away from it, FAST!

User avatar
farmallcub49
10+ Years
10+ Years
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 862
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:05 pm
Zip Code: 56374
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: MN, St. Joseph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby farmallcub49 » Sun May 04, 2014 9:01 pm

Criswell, DO you have a model T?

Stutzman in Ohio sells these spokes fairly cheap and then you can press them in yourself with the homemade spoke press. Shagbark must be around though and I can appreciate doing it myself, but wheels should be done, in my opinion, by a professional; your life depends upon it.
'49 Cub, '58 LoBoy,'61 LoBoy, '61 Modified LoBoy, '61 Customized LoBoy, way to many attachments, '22 Centerdoor Sedan, '24 Ford T Roadster, '25 Ford TT, '24 C Cab, '13 Touring, '24 Model T Snowmobile,

Criswell
5+ Years
5+ Years
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 203
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:17 pm
Zip Code: 48180
Tractors Owned: 1952 Cub with
- 54 Blade
- 193 Moldboard Plow
- Woods 59 C-2 mower

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Criswell » Mon May 05, 2014 6:56 am

I have owned Model T's since the late '50s an agree completly about having them done by a wheelwright. I understand the folks that wnat to do it themselves and I know a lot of guys that have done it themselves, but to me a wheel like this is far too important. I can tell you horror stories about cars that I have seen on tours where they had re-done their own wheels and used oak for the spokes. For quite a while a couple of the parts vendors were actually selling oak spokes, a very bad move/choice for building a wood wheel. The shagbark hickory thing has confounded a lot of guys, just so long as it is straight-grain, clear hickory you won't have a problem. This is a photo of one of the Dodge Brothers with its set of Calimer wheels:

Image

At 60mph the wheels are the last thing on your mind in this car. As far as Stutzman, I have seen the fit, finish and quality, that is why I reccomend Calimers wheel shop to anyone who asks. I have had him do wheels for more than just a Model T (Buick, Dodge Brothers, Model N) and his work just blows the others away. You will get faster service from Bill if you get your wheels to him about this time of year, he gets back-logged late in the year after the driving season is over with those that need wheels sending them in to be done over the winter.

This is the current Model T, still in original paint and wheels.

Image
Where you are, right now, is of absolutly no use unless you are able to get away from it, FAST!

User avatar
sdurnal
5+ Years
5+ Years
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 848
Joined: Thu May 06, 2010 1:36 pm
Zip Code: 47201
Tractors Owned: 105 & 127 cadet (sacrificed for a 4wd project)

680 Cadet
1964 LoBoy FH
L-54A Blade
Pennington 3 spindle deck
LF-194 plow
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: IN, Columbus

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby sdurnal » Mon May 05, 2014 11:17 am

Plenty of Shag Bark Hickory around these parts.. Finding a sawmill is another story..

User avatar
farmallcub49
10+ Years
10+ Years
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 862
Joined: Mon Feb 03, 2003 5:05 pm
Zip Code: 56374
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: MN, St. Joseph

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby farmallcub49 » Mon May 05, 2014 8:46 pm

Criswell,

Sharp looking Dodge! That T looks light and nimble. I have never seen Calimer's work in person, but I have seen Stutzman's and compared to my Johnson Wheels on our TT Stutzman does lack some. I need to do a set for our original Centerdoor, but I am trying to convince a friend to sell me his Disteel Wheels that are rusty looking, much like our Centerdoor.
'49 Cub, '58 LoBoy,'61 LoBoy, '61 Modified LoBoy, '61 Customized LoBoy, way to many attachments, '22 Centerdoor Sedan, '24 Ford T Roadster, '25 Ford TT, '24 C Cab, '13 Touring, '24 Model T Snowmobile,

Criswell
5+ Years
5+ Years
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 203
Joined: Thu Sep 29, 2011 3:17 pm
Zip Code: 48180
Tractors Owned: 1952 Cub with
- 54 Blade
- 193 Moldboard Plow
- Woods 59 C-2 mower

Re: Shagbark Hickory

Postby Criswell » Tue May 06, 2014 5:13 pm

farmallcub49 wrote: I need to do a set for our original Centerdoor, but I am trying to convince a friend to sell me his Disteel Wheels that are rusty looking, much like our Centerdoor.



Back in the early '60s I had an old dirt-track racer that looked like it been rolled over more than once and it had what I thought were a set of the Disteel wheels on it, turns out they were just late '20s Chevrolet wheels. For my taste at the time I would have rather had a nice set of Rudge or Buffalo wires. The guy that I had bought it from had built the thing in the early '30s. He lived down the block from me on 18th street in Detroit and I can guarantee you he drove the snot out of that T.

As far as wood wheels go, if you buy a set from Calimers, you will not be dissapointed. I will see if I can find a close-up photo of the wheels on the Dodge. They are supposed to painted the body color and then pin-striped but after seeing the level and quality of the work that went into them and the end result, it seemed like a shame to cover up the work. When he did the set for the Buick I had another set of wheels from a "donor" car and I sent him those so I could still drive the Buick until it got its new wheels.
Where you are, right now, is of absolutly no use unless you are able to get away from it, FAST!


Return to “Off Topic”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests