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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:33 pm

Just for my own edjumacation, what's the difference between the detent pin anvil and the hog ring anvil?
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby 49Cub2017 » Sun Apr 15, 2018 3:49 pm

I had the same question and I'm still not completely clear on this, but from what I've read the hog ring anvil is supposed to be quicker and a bit easier getting sockets on and off, and maybe holds them on more securely. And it's slightly more expensive than the detent pin. But, I'd like to know more about the hog ring version.

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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby tomcat » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:35 pm

Now y’all went and done it talking about those battery impacts. I am going to order one and my better half is going to cut my throat. She said I need to slow down a little bit spending money since I retired but what the heck, you just go around one time in life so l am going to make it a good trip. :tractor: :tractor:

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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby birddog » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:45 pm

Hog ring style is mostly a friction fit. The detent pin when used with good impact sockets you generally have to use a punch or small screwdriver in the hole in the socket to release it.

It sounds like you mostly made up your mind what to buy, but as far as the air wrenches go a good one such as Chicago, Snap On and others should be adjustable in both directions. When I have a bolt that I don't want to break I turn them down so that it will barely turn and then slowly turn it up as it's hammering. I've taken out some pretty light bolts that way over the years, a lot of which I probably would have broken even using an open end wrench.

I forgot to add that there generally are 2 types of adjusters, air flow or trigger restriction.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Clownfish » Sun Apr 15, 2018 5:50 pm

You tube has several videos showing both and advantages and disadvantages of each. The detention pin is what I call the “normal” type where a spring loaded ball holds the socket on. It is easier to get on/off if you don’t line up the ball with the hole but very secure when you align them. The hog ring type is always secure but also can be difficult to remove the socket. It is similar to a c-clip that the socket fit over.

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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Apr 15, 2018 6:07 pm

OK, I understand it now. My Dewalt electric plug-in has the detent pin. It is actually a little beefier than the spring loaded ball you find on ratchet handles. You definitely have to push the pin in to release the socket.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Sun Apr 15, 2018 9:29 pm

The hog ring version is good. mine have the pins that lock the sockets on and unless you grind them down and reshape them some with a Dremel you need something on the order of a roofing nail to push in through the hole in the socket to release the sockets from the wrench.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Barnyard » Sun Apr 15, 2018 10:42 pm

49Cub2017 wrote:I took another look at the one on Amazon and I think it's new with a 3 year warranty...must have got that wrong the first time. And it has the Hog ring anvil, which is supposed to be a good thing. And it's slightly less than $210.00. I'll look around a bit more, but I have a feeling this might be the one.

The one I see on Amazon is refurbished.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Slim140 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:32 am

Don McCombs wrote:OK, I understand it now. My Dewalt electric plug-in has the detent pin. It is actually a little beefier than the spring loaded ball you find on ratchet handles. You definitely have to push the pin in to release the socket.

I have one of these and can’t stand having to push the pin in with a punch to get the socket off. I haven’t used it in at least 5 years. I have a Mac air wrench and it gets used regularly, it has the hog ring on it. When working on something and having to switch sockets often the Mac is a lot less frustrating.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Buzzard Wing » Mon Apr 16, 2018 6:51 am

Reconditioned/refurbished means it was out of the box, returned or possibly something at the factory. I have bought several different DeWalt tools that were 'reconditioned'. The angle grinder with 2 batteries, charger and case was cheaper than 2 xrp batteries. They come with the full factory warranty. Never had a problem with one, box/packaging isn't as fancy as the 'new' tool.

I really like my 18V impact, surprising torque.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Clownfish » Mon Apr 16, 2018 7:05 am

I like the detent pin because it gives you a choice. Most of the time when I put a socket on I make sure that the pin is on one of the sides away from the hole in the socket. The the friction from the pressure of the spring loaded pin holds the socket on. When the bolt head has a lot of thick rust or is damaged the bolt will get stuck in the socket and the socket will be pulled off of the wrench. Only in these cases do I put the pin into the hole In the socket. As I have reached the “Golden years” and started losing strength and grip in my hands it is difficult to remove the socket from the hog ring but with the pin not in the matching hole in the socket it is very easy to remove a socket.

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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Denny Clayton » Mon Apr 16, 2018 10:33 am

The Dewalt shown above is very impressive and powerful. I have had this one: https://www.amazon.com/DEWALT-DCF889B-L ... act+wrench for several years and at 400 lbs. torque I have been more than pleased. It came out before the DCF899B which has more power. There were more powerful ones then but very much more expensive. I already had an air wrench if I needed more power, but frankly I haven't used it since. The trigger is variable-speed.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby Bill » Mon Apr 16, 2018 11:28 am

https://www.ereplacementparts.com/chica ... 36478.html ifty years ago, part of my apprentice schooling was repairing air tools. I hope this site helps, items 105 and 107 held the socket.
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Apr 16, 2018 1:16 pm

Just remember, the more powerful the wrench the easier it is to break a bolt, and the more care you have to use with it. Most of the head bolts in these older tractors are only 3/8, and are easy to break. I was helping a neighbor remove the head on his B414 IH (3/8 bolts), and as happens on most tractors 30+ years old we ended up breaking a couple head bolts. I had round the bolts off flush with the head and we were putting the head back on to use as a guide for centering the hole to drill them out. I was putting a few bolts in to snug up and Jeff was helping. I heard PRRRT and started to yell Jeff don't use the impact, but was too late. That head used 3 different length bolts all in holes that did not go all the way through and jeff had put a long bolt in a shallow hole and started to snug it down with my Earthquake gun. Then there were 3 bolts to drill out instead of 2. :x
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Re: Tool Questions...Impact Wrenches

Postby 49Cub2017 » Mon Apr 16, 2018 5:05 pm

John: You've brought up an excellent point and one that had just begun to occur to me as well...maybe the DCF889 is overkill. Those head bolts are actually referred to in the manual as screws! Well, they're large screws, but as bolts they are a bit on the small side, so maybe I should concentrate on getting a purpose bought solution to the immediate task at hand. If that's a smaller wrench...even a plug-in type, that's ok with me.


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