Paint Box

Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:02 am

Hi has anyone made painting box?

I've seen some photos and plans on line for small filtered - negative pressure, spray booths.....

Ken

Re: Paint Box

Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:08 am

Ken,
I've not seen a small box, but I made a paint booth in my garage that worked really well. At Rockler Woodworking, they sell these telescoping poles with rubber feet, that you can use to lift polyethylene sheet up to the cieling and clamp in place to make walls. I used 4 of these, made a booth against an outside wall of my garage where there was a double-hung window. In the window I placed a box fan, blowing outward. The booth was big enough to fit the Cub inside, and I left the bottom of the sheeting loose enough so that makeup air came in through the bottom. All the fumes went out the box fan. Worked excellent!. No mess in the garage, a tarp on the floor so no overspray on the floor, and when I was all done, dropped the poly walls, and had my full garage back in service.
Sorry, I never grabbed any pics.

Hey, btw, out in your neck of the woods today, well kind of. Sitting in our Syracuse office now, headed up to Watertown for a meeting this morning, then back to Buffalo this afternoon. Yea, it's one of "those" days. Left home at 5:00 this morning and hope to be home by 5:00 tonight.

Bill

Re: Paint Box

Fri Jun 07, 2013 8:15 am

Here is one Butch Zell built several years ago. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=28699&hilit=paint+booth

Re: Paint Box

Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:31 pm

By paint box are you refering to something small (like a sand blast cabinet) to paint in with out getting inside like you would with a paint booth?

Re: Paint Box

Sat Jun 08, 2013 9:44 pm

Yes - I am interested in being able to paint smaller parts inside the garage, yet exahust the air outside.

Ken

Re: Paint Box

Sun Jun 09, 2013 9:42 am

PVF1799 wrote:Yes - I am interested in being able to paint smaller parts inside the garage, yet exahust the air outside.

Ken
I'm sure you have an idea of what you're talking about but I'm still trying to understand the size of what you are calling a "paint box". Are you wanting to be inside the box with the item you're painting or do you put the part inside and you stay outside in clean air and have hand holes to reach in like a sand blaster cabinet?

Re: Paint Box

Sun Jun 09, 2013 1:06 pm

Scrivet wrote:
PVF1799 wrote:Yes - I am interested in being able to paint smaller parts inside the garage, yet exahust the air outside.

Ken
I'm sure you have an idea of what you're talking about but I'm still trying to understand the size of what you are calling a "paint box". Are you wanting to be inside the box with the item you're painting or do you put the part inside and you stay outside in clean air and have hand holes to reach in like a sand blaster cabinet?


I'm looking to see if anyone has built anything like this?

http://www.hiroboy.com/catalog/product_info.php?currency=PLN&products_id=3466&osCsid=b77f6954a6c4fee128e96339fc4f04d7#.UbTD0FK9KSM

Re: Paint Box

Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:00 pm

Frankly, this looks like a waste of time unless you are setting up with an airbrush to paint models. I am not that good of a painter nor do I have professional racks. I need a bit of walking around room to make sure I hit all the angles, even for small parts. Even then, something always seems to end back on the rack hanging a different way. The parts of the job I don't like are the mixing and cleaning of the equipment. I like to get as much done in each in-between to minimize the number of sessions.

Re: Paint Box

Sun Jun 09, 2013 2:13 pm

OK got it now! I'm with Bob I think clean up would be the killer for small jobs. Would work a lot better with rattle cans. It doesn't look that hard to make to try, a couple pieces plywood, left over paneling, card board box, or an old washing machine or dryer if you want bigger, for the sides. A lazy suzan from the cupboard or the spinner off an old swivel chair. A furnace filter. It says 60-68CFM fan. The cheap $15 dollar bathroom exhaust fans do about 50CFM, splurge and put two in. Some plastic dryer vent hose that shouldn't be used on a dryer and you'll be painting in no time.
If you have a little room on an outside wall do away with the hose and mount a storage cabinet with the fans installed in one shelf bay. When you want to paint open the cabinet doors and paint. You could install a light or two or get the fancier exhaust fans with a light. When done close the door. The rest of the cabinet could be rattle can storage.

Re: Paint Box

Sun Jun 09, 2013 6:29 pm

Ken:

That is a total waste of time and money unless what you are painting is model airplanes, model trains etc., and using an airbrush or the small touch up guns. It doesn't matter what you are spraying adequate ventilation is key. That unit will not provide it. I do like however Butch Zell's take on a temporary paint booth. Armed with that, an external air supply unit like Bob has (I think you ordered one) and adequate coveralls you should be able to pull off a really good paint job with minimal risk to your health.

I have been finishing for almost 50 years or so and even though finishing and my woodwork is not the cause of my COPD, PF or Pulmonary Hypertension, I can tell you that many folks who do not use the proper equipment will end up with respiratory illness and it does not take too long. And for those of you who remember my favourite mentor, Mr. George Willer would second this and second it emphatically. Safety is paramount.

I haven't said much about this for the last couple of months but my health has deteriorated and for the last month or so, I have been tied completely to either a concentrator or O2 tanks. You DO NOT want this, that I can guarantee. So do yourself a favour and take the time to erect something like Butch built. Home built doesn't mean non-professional, it just means that you built it at home. How good it is, well that is entirely up to you. Think about your health first, you won't regret it.

Oh, I don't mean to sound preachy ok... just sayin how it is or can be.

Re: Paint Box

Tue Jun 11, 2013 2:02 pm

I did set up a temporary paint box, Ken. I used several shipping boxes duct-taped together into a "tunnel" just the size of a window box fan, then set it in the doorway when I painted small parts. I wish I'd had a bigger one when I did the hood, because the whole floor got a red tint to it despite my efforts to cover it - that was a lot of rattle-can red and it went pretty much everywhere.

It wore off after a few years, though. ;)

Re: Paint Box

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:32 pm

Tell you what, I've painted a LOT of Cub and Cub Cadet parts. A couple of step ladders and some wire works really well for painting small parts. I almost always paint outside. Just wait for a nice day and go to work. There's almost no mess to clean up and in all the things I've painted, I don't think I've ever had a problem with a bug or dirt in the paint. At least, not anything that I was concerned about. One time I even prepped a whole Cub, put it on my 16' trailer on top of a tarp, then rolled it out back to paint. That was the BEST! No mess at all to clean up. Wife caught me in the act of "reassembly". I figured it was already on jack stands, just a little higher and I could slap the wheels on and roll her right off the trailer. Worked pretty good!

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Re: Paint Box

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:49 pm

I'm with Bill on this one. I do all of my parts painting outside, or nearly outside. Ladders, tubing and hooks for the good weather. If it is warm, but raining a little, I open the garage door and hang hooks from the garage door tracks.

Re: Paint Box

Thu Jun 13, 2013 8:59 pm

gitractorman wrote:Tell you what, I've painted a LOT of Cub and Cub Cadet parts. A couple of step ladders and some wire works really well for painting small parts. I almost always paint outside. Just wait for a nice day and go to work. There's almost no mess to clean up and in all the things I've painted, I don't think I've ever had a problem with a bug or dirt in the paint. At least, not anything that I was concerned about. One time I even prepped a whole Cub, put it on my 16' trailer on top of a tarp, then rolled it out back to paint. That was the BEST! No mess at all to clean up. Wife caught me in the act of "reassembly". I figured it was already on jack stands, just a little higher and I could slap the wheels on and roll her right off the trailer. Worked pretty good!

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Like you've I've painting all my small parts outside. In my quest for a safe small spray booth for rattle can spraying, especially for winter and when the weather sucks so bad like it has lately. Small is defined as perhaps just big enough to spray something like the wire mesh grill and all parts smaller than that. My next project is my 1960 Cub Cadet - Lots of small parts there. The quest continues.

On your photo, did you spray that rattle cans or a HVLP sprayer, fully assembled like that. The reason I'm asking is - 1, I've done anything like that and 2, how do you get the paint everywhere needed to get a nice job, w/o runs?