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Postby Ike » Tue Jan 18, 2005 7:54 pm

George Willer wrote:
Lest someone gets the wrong idea, the engine is the same size Continental as an Allis G but they do not interchange.


George,
Thanks for the information. From what I had heard others say and what I had read, I did have the impression that they used the same engine. :?

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Postby Bigdog » Tue Jan 18, 2005 8:11 pm

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Postby George Willer » Tue Jan 18, 2005 10:23 pm

Ike,

It's my understanding the starters mount differently. One mounts on the rear engine flange and the other mounts to the bell housing. That would be a question to ask on either the Allis or Massey list.
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Postby yaume » Wed Jan 19, 2005 7:48 am

Hi to all.
As you can see I am new to this forum, but I've been Spying for a long time...(well you know, i'm shy)
And I am french too, so I logicaly own A french Farmall Cub.
let's talk about ponies.

as Rudy (hello) said, ponies where canadian machines, but (as cubs were) they were built in france too until middle of the 60's. Of course there were a few differences between the both sides of ocean versions. Such as the motor: french ponies had a SIMCA ou PEUGEOT engine. there was also a diesel version (very funy machine with a two strokes HANOMAG engine).
3 pts hitches version whas also aviable for the latters years.
Pony was a so popular machine here in britany, that people over 40 call every small red tractor a "pony", even the ones with an offset motor :roll:

if anyone is interrested:http://www.chez.com/tractoretro/pony.htm french speaking naturally :wink:

Farmallcub : great site! my bible!. bye to all, I'm back to work!!!
what makes my cub very rare is that it's the only one I've ever owned.
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Postby Bigdog » Wed Jan 19, 2005 8:34 am

yaume - Welcome to the forum. The link to the Pony site was great! Now, if I just knew how to read French!
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Postby Arizona Mike » Wed Jan 19, 2005 4:42 pm

Thank you yaume. I am going to look at this tractor again tomorrow.

Bigdog, try this 8) 8) ..go to altavista,com, click on "translate", copy in the french pony website's url...it comes out translated to where you can read it 8) 8)
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Postby George Willer » Thu Jan 20, 2005 8:24 pm

Ike wrote:
George Willer wrote:
Lest someone gets the wrong idea, the engine is the same size Continental as an Allis G but they do not interchange.


George,
Thanks for the information. From what I had heard others say and what I had read, I did have the impression that they used the same engine. :?

Ike


Ike,

Yesterday I remembered that our friend Larry has a Pony and also an Allis G in his shop. I sent him a note last night asking for confirmation. This is his reply...

"George,
As usual you are right on the difference. The engines are
the same series but different blocks. There is no starter mount at all on
the engine of the Pony. The starter is mounted to the bell housing. While
the G block has a rather large starter mount cast into the block. I'm pretty
sure the internals will interchange though. I can't tell about the oil pump.

Larry"

It was his Pony in the 'Tug of War' at CubFest 2004.
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Postby Ike » Fri Jan 21, 2005 7:19 am

Thanks George. :)

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Postby Arizona Mike » Fri Jan 21, 2005 6:16 pm

Thanks all for the excellent Pony info. :D

I went back over to Bisbee yesterday..didn't take my trailer and glad I didn't. That guy says he talked to his son who owns the tractor and he wants $1500. :shock: :shock: :shock: now. I knew I had a reputation as being a "tractor turkey", but I didn't expect word had reached all the way to Bisbee, AZ :roll: :shock: :roll:

Told him I'de think about it :roll: :roll:

I'm going to just stick with Cubs. When I get Cubs all figured out then I might look at a Pony :D
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Postby parts man » Fri Jan 21, 2005 8:45 pm

The Allis and Pony engines have different heads as well, the G has a channel along the head for the fan shaft to run, and they use different thread sizes for the plugs.
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