Mon Sep 02, 2013 11:34 am
After reading the Cub vs Sub compact thread I have question. I see where Dave (Pickerandsinger) has a couple of British Fergusons. I have a Ferguson 20 without an ID plate. How do you tell a TE (British) from a TO (US)?
Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:20 pm
By it's accent?
Is this a trick question?
Mon Sep 02, 2013 12:27 pm
No trick question Bob. Ferguson made a TE-20 in Britain that was shipped here and made a TO-20 in the US. I guess I could check to see if the bolts are metric or not.
Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:08 pm
I don't think you will find metric either way. I think the TEs had a lot of Whitworth fasteners. I don't know if the TOs were converted to US or not.
Seems like I once knew some differences to tell them apart, but no longer remember what they were. There must be a Ferguson board with participants that know. Maybe an engine serial number will tell you the year and thus where it was built.
Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:30 pm
How about electrical? Any Lucas parts on it?
Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:35 pm
Jim Becker wrote:How about electrical? Any Lucas parts on it?
Jim, all electrical had burnt in a fire under the hood. I have replaced all that with NAPA parts several years ago when I was in my BC age. (Before Cubs)
Mon Sep 02, 2013 1:46 pm
Bill don't know if this will help. ??
copy and past
Ferguson TE20 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Mon Sep 02, 2013 2:28 pm
Thanks Dave, but I have been to that as well as a few other Wikipedia pages and have not found what I need. I have tried several Ferguson sites and even emailed some for info. Evey thing I get back says to look for specific numbers on different parts of the engine that I can not find. To clarify, I can find the engine just not the numbers.
Mon Sep 02, 2013 3:34 pm
This is what I found out from ....John(UK)...email@example.com when I was rebuilding one a few years back...
Check the material of the Transmission housing, just scratch the paint to see if it is an aluminum type or cast iron. Cast Iron is a TO20 and Aluminum (or actually Magnesium Electron) is a TE20. . Look at the brake drums on a TO20 they are 11" dia but on a TE20 they are 14" diameter. If you have a TO20 the casting dates for the axle trumpet housings are on the front behind the brake shaft and on the TE20's they are on the side of the Centre axle housing just forward of the round inspection ports. Normally the engines are different but no use going into that as the engine could have been changed.
I do know , you can't use the U.S. starter in the English tractor...flywheel damage very quickly.
Here's the thread...http://www.yesterdaystractors.com/cgi-bin/viewit.cgi?bd=ferg&th=101406
Tue Sep 03, 2013 8:59 am
instead of scratching the paint, use a magnet to detect cast iron vs. aluminum / magnesium alloy.
The magnet will not stick to the aluminum.
Wed Sep 04, 2013 4:27 am
outdoors4evr stated:instead of scratching the paint, use a magnet to detect cast iron vs. aluminum / magnesium alloy.
The magnet will not stick to the aluminum.
I don’t know why I didn’t think of that. It seems the older I get the more I think “in the box” for common sense things. Thanks for bringing that up.
Last edited by Jack fowler on Wed Sep 04, 2013 7:35 am, edited 1 time in total.
Wed Sep 04, 2013 6:55 am
Thanks guys, cast iron trans cover and 11" brakes on mine so it looks like I have the US made TO-20.
I appreciate the help.
Thu Sep 05, 2013 8:13 am
Barnyard wrote:After reading the Cub vs Sub compact thread I have question. I see where Dave (Pickerandsinger) has a couple of British Fergusons. I have a Ferguson 20 without an ID plate. How do you tell a TE (British) from a TO (US)?
Bill, the easiest visual way to check is the TO 20 has a plate on top of the transmission (8) bolts, that is removable....The TEA 's plate is part of the steering box...TE Tractor England...TO Tractor Overseas...Dave
Sun Sep 08, 2013 7:13 am
Barnyard the US T0-20 and TE-20 have 18mm plugs. The Eng. TEA-20 has 14mm plugs.
At 1000RPM the dwell meter on a TO-20 is 21', the TE-20 is 12' and flywheel at 5' and on a TEA-20 it is 18' and flywheel is 7'
Sun Sep 15, 2013 7:03 am
Barnyard, you still out in the barn with that Ferguson?
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