Evaluating Sleeve and CrankShaft Wear

Farmall C, Super C Tractors, 200 & 230 1948-1958

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Evaluating Sleeve and CrankShaft Wear

Postby Mad_Planter » Tue Mar 13, 2007 11:45 am

I'm in the process of restoring a Super C that was my fathers. One of the Cylinders has a small pit in the sleeve about 3/16 in diameter, and one of the main journals has a small "blemish" on it that feels rough to the touch, and if you try really hard can kindof catch your fingernail on it. Other than this the sleeve measurements and journal measurements are still within the factory specification.

Is there a rule of thumb for determining when sleeves need replaced or journals machined when they are in spec but have issues like these?

I just joined the Forum today, but have been reading posts for sometime. Its amazing how addicting restoring these old tractors is. Its been a enjoyable experience and am looking forward to getting the old girl running again!

Thanks for any information you can give me.

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Postby beaconlight » Tue Mar 13, 2007 4:00 pm

Mark as for the crank If it ain't fixed you will be back in. As for the sleeve it is according. There may be enough left to have it bored and then again there may not be enough. Rather than the size of the pit the depth and how much the cyl is worn is what makes the decision.

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Postby Eugene » Tue Mar 13, 2007 5:47 pm

Small blemish first. Sometimes you can use a slip stone or rouge stone to polish up small blemishes in the crank.

Sleeve. I would make a couple of passes with a hone. Then check (mic)the pit. Perhaps the pit can be hone out and the sleeve still be in spec (usable).

Sleeve. An other alternative is to replace the sleeve and piston as a set. Sometimes this is the best solution.

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Postby Mad_Planter » Wed Mar 14, 2007 7:36 am

Thanks for your help. I'm dropping the block and crank off at a machinest this morning. I'll have the block hot tanked and let them look at the sleeves and crank. Most likely I'll need to resleeve and have the crank ground.

Thanks for your help!!

Mark D.

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