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mercury vapor light

Postby john2189 » Tue Nov 20, 2012 5:37 pm

Last Sat night my light just flickered and was pink in color. Sunday I put a rag on the photo cell and it came on normal and worked untill tonight, same think pinkish and flicker. the bulb is about a year old the rest is about 25 years old. What could it be? ballast, photo cell or bulb?

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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Eugene » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:02 pm

May be cheaper just to buy a complete mercury vapor light fixture that includes the bulb. That was my experience.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Rudi » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:29 pm

I would look at maybe replacing with LED's. Gonna last longer and will be a lot cheaper on a monthly basis. May bring the payback date forward significantly. Did a quick google --

Outdoor LED Lighting

Here are a couple interesting links from that search:

Lumec.com
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Bus Driver » Tue Nov 20, 2012 6:54 pm

In the USA, complete mercury vapor fixtures are no longer made. Some parts may be available. Junk it and get a more efficient replacement. The only advantage of the mercury vapor is long lamp life. The ballast consumes more power than does the lamp-- very much an energy hog. High pressure sodium and metal halide are much more efficient and will save their purchase price in electricity savings over the MV in just a few months. The metal halide is often used at sports stadiums.
The MV lamp dims gradually with use, rarely ever actually burning out. As it dims, the power used by the lamp actually increases. Eventually the lamp will become so dim that it can be seen only in a very dark location.
If the yellow color is not a problem, get the high pressure sodium.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby BIGHOSS » Tue Nov 20, 2012 10:09 pm

After many years of keeping my old MV light going, I went another route when the bulbs went up to around $20, . I bought a new fixture and bulb at Lowe's for a little more than $20. The new bulb was fl square tube with a standard base. The problem with it was after a year of two it burned out and was n/a anymore. At the suggestion of the electric guru at Lowes, I went the largest cfl that they had. It has been working for two years or so and gives out more light than any of other ones. Because the bulb is shielded from the weather with the large plastic globe it has not failed it. I am certain that it is the most efficient bulb of all the others.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby john2189 » Wed Nov 21, 2012 12:04 pm

I went withthe 65 watt flouresant fixture, we will see tonight if it puts out enough light
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby BIGHOSS » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:04 pm

john2189 wrote:I went withthe 65 watt flouresant fixture, we will see tonight if it puts out enough light


Sounds like you have the same one as my "new" fixture. Does your bulb have a standard base or the plug-in type? I like the standard base because you can use other bulbs.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Bus Driver » Wed Nov 21, 2012 1:40 pm

Please do let us know how the new fluorescent works for you. I have no experience with that particular lamp. Specifications for one lamp of the type indicate total lumens at about 4000. The MV when new was about 6300 lumens, so the fluorescent probably will not light the area as well. But the MV probably had degraded somewhat in output. The fluorescent is about 61 lumens per watt.

Your MV was probably 175 watts. The ballast for the MV typically uses over 500 watts, so the ballast uses more power than does the lamp. Failed MV ballasts often look like they have been cremated. A 70 watt high pressure sodium produces about 90 lumens per watt while the MV is about 42- 48 lumens per watt. Your power bill may drop noticeably.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Gary Dotson » Thu Nov 22, 2012 8:33 am

Bus Driver, do you happen to know the lumens per watt, for metal halide fixtures? A few years ago, I ran across a deal and bought 50 some brand new 100 watt metal halide fixtures. I have several of them mounted in my shop, they put out a lot of light for just 100watts. I like them a lot!
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Bus Driver » Thu Nov 22, 2012 9:28 am

The MH range from 90 to 115 in initial lumens per watt. As far as I know, the out put degrades a little as the lamp ages-- I know of no lighting type that does not degrade with age.
Interestingly, the incandescents vary a great deal in lumens per watt depending on lamp size and type. The now-obsolete 100 watt incandescent produces many more lumens per watt than does the still-available (but not for long) 60 watt.
I am by no means an expert. Some of these types I have never installed nor serviced. Some years ago, I attended a one-day seminar on lighting types. The technology has improved in some cases since then. Metal halide lamps have some tendency to explode when they fail. Fixtures designed to contain the fragments are desirable. Some of the lamps have an outer plastic casing for that purpose.

EDIT: Explode may be too strong a term, shatter might be better. But that can be hazardous as well.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby Gary Dotson » Thu Nov 22, 2012 10:48 am

I didn't know that about MH lamps exploding, thanks for that little tid bit of info! My fixtures are fully enclosed so that shouldn't be a problem. The fixtures I have are similar to those found under the canopy of a gas station, only smaller. The shipping labels indicated that they were headed to an electrical contractor for a Denny's restaurant project. I have no idea why they were not used, but it worked out quite well for me!
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby BIGHOSS » Thu Nov 22, 2012 5:20 pm

Gary, my church has MH recessed lights under an attached carport. They have the safety double wall globe for outdoor use. There is a prefix before the p/n so to tell them from the regular MH used inside. It is hard to tell the difference just by looking at the two of them.
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Re: mercury vapor light

Postby john2189 » Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:23 am

the new flouresent fixture is very close to the light output of the mv . It is a mogul base tube type bulb I dont know what the lumans are, there is nothing on the box or the light specs about lumans.

I am happy with it so far, it will be interesting to see how much light it puts out when its 20° below 0
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