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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Paul Wells » Sat Dec 29, 2012 6:31 pm

AL Farmall Boy wrote:And yours looks to have an original white grille.

I'll have to dig up some info on my (2) 1975 models and my (3) Longstripes, and see what I've got. I think the 1975 models are well before longstripe, but will analyize them too.

So far, what I am going to look for is....Hood Ornament, Oiling Holes, Black/White Grille. Is that right?? Anything else?


1975 248125 312390 First "New" International Cub
1975 248125 Radiator overflow hose replaced overflow pipe
1975 248125 Manifold and carb changed (Zenith model)
1975 248125 Generator changed to alternator

I can't prove it, but I think these cubs and the cubs made in the first 2 to 3 months of 76 had
hood ornaments, oiling holes, white grilles,solenoid under floorboard. choke cable.And longstripe cub decal.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Cubfriend » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:31 pm

Buzzard Wing wrote:I know a fellow that just prefers the long stripe sticker....
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I will have to look to see if mine has the 'oil holes' in the hood....

I think the "holes" may be in reference to the hood ornament holes. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe this will clear up some confussion. ...Frank
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby DarinO » Sat Dec 29, 2012 7:33 pm

My 77 is very near the middle of the year of production with s/n 251043. It has no oil holes in the hood, original alternator, choke cable, key start, and rubber intake tube. I think the grill is black, but it's hiding behind a wire screen that caught grass from its mowing days. Some of these differences are shown in the owners manual that was shipped to the dealership that sold the tractor new. It was post marked Dec, 13 1977.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Georgia Boy » Sat Dec 29, 2012 8:09 pm

My cub is the 73rd long stripe built, it has the black grille. A pic of it when it had the original paint on it.

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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Buzzard Wing » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:03 pm

The yeller ones had white doglegs and grille frames, with a black grille. Where the 'common' yeller Cub those parts were yeller and the gille is white. You can see the Cubs in the picture I posted seem to be painted the 'old' way. Paint and decals don't say much.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby bob in CT » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:15 pm

Cubfriend wrote:I think the "holes" may be in reference to the hood ornament holes. Please correct me if I'm wrong. Maybe this will clear up some confusion. ...Frank


The reference is to holes in the hood to oil the generator bearing cups. No need for that with an alternator.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby bob in CT » Sat Dec 29, 2012 10:16 pm

DarinO wrote:My 77 is very near the middle of the year of production with s/n 251043. It has no oil holes in the hood, original alternator, choke cable, key start, and rubber intake tube. I think the grill is black, but it's hiding behind a wire screen that caught grass from its mowing days. Some of these differences are shown in the owners manual that was shipped to the dealership that sold the tractor new. It was post marked Dec, 13 1977.


251656 has generator oil holes in the hood.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Boss Hog » Sat Dec 29, 2012 11:01 pm

I think maybe some hoods may have been in a corner and used after they were using the no holes hoods but that is only speculation on my part. I have 5 longstripes all have holes in the hood the newest one is a late 78, I think most no hole hoods were 79 and late late 78s
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby DarinO » Sun Dec 30, 2012 8:03 am

My 77 came to me with a vertical exhaust, but I never knew if it was factory or a modification along the way. Maybe it is original and that explains the lack of oil holes in the hood in a serial number range that may have otherwise had the oil holes.?
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Paul Wells » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:15 am

I have been reading about the changes in the cubs throughout the production run. It seems as production was slowing down in the later years that I H was trying to use up parts. Like hoods with oiling holes for the generator long after alternators were being used. I think in the last years as a special order came in, say for a red cub, IH would fill that order the as quickly as possible. On the red 76 I have the starter cable apparently was borrowed from a yellow cub,As paint peels off the paint is red on the outside and yellow on the underside, of course the cable is black. One of the front wheels looks to have been white and bolted on a yellow hub, when taken off there is some yellow paint stuck to the wheel around the lug holes. The wheel I believe was then installed on the red hub and sprayed red. It could be a wheel that a PO changed. I have not looked at all the casting codes, but have found both Y and Z some almost a year apart in dates. We have no way knowing what was done and why in some cases. That is part of the hunt on any collectable.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Don McCombs » Sun Dec 30, 2012 10:22 am

While the practice of using up on-hand parts was most certainly a probable factor, bear in mind that eliminating the holes would have required a change in tooling. There would have been little desire on the part of IH to spend that time and money on a line that they knew was going to be shut down.
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Scrivet » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:02 am

Don McCombs wrote:..... bear in mind that eliminating the holes would have required a change in tooling. ..........
I have no clue how the holes were put in the hood. I would imagine that there was a stamping/bending process to get the curve (sides) shaped. The gas tank would have the same process for the top and bottom. Insert a baffle in the top section and then weld the top and bottom together. The gas tank assembly would then get the hood welded to it. I would think that the holes would be a step after forming the hood before it got welded to the tank and not a part of the stamping process. If so, it would be very easy to just leave out the two hole step either in the mid 50's (was it 55 with no generator holes?) or late 70's.

Of course youda thunk SOMEBODY would have applied the same logic to the holes in the floorboard! :lol:
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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby CharlieB » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:21 am

Hi all; Just joined the forum recently and this is my first post. Been a cub owner for a few years.
My first in the mid '60's. Bought my latest off craigslist just before Christmas (more about that one later).
Anyway, I don't know if it will be of interest but I have an old Cub brochure dated Jan 1974 that shows the
Cubs of that year. It got damp at some point and is a little soiled but here are some pictures from it.....

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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby Rudi » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:40 am

Charles:

Nice looking brochure. Can you tell me what the publication code is? You can find it on the lower left hand corner of the back cover - usually.

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Re: '77 Longstripe Question

Postby CharlieB » Sun Dec 30, 2012 11:54 am

Rudi;

The numbers I see are.....AD-31469-C...... 1/74

on another page, lower corner; AD-1335-Y5..... 10-31-W



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