Tue Jan 15, 2013 6:44 pm
Jim, from the way I see it I don't believ it has a hole. I don't have access to it. My cousin has been providing the photos.
Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:17 pm
The first "pickup" baler that I ever saw was as Bob McCarty described. It was a three man operation with one driving the tractor that pulled the baler. The pto was not used. The baler was run by an independant power unit. The other two operators sat on seats on each side near the rear of the baler. The wire was already cut to length with a loop on one end in a bundle. The wooden block divider was slid in place by one operator. The other operator fed the wire through a slot in the wood to the other one. Who then fed it back to the first one through a slot in another block on the other end of the bale. The first man then loosely tied the wire off by hand. The operation was then repeated.
OSHA would have had a field day with this, as the two riders at the end of the day were covered from head to toe with dust. All you could see were their eyeballs.
Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:25 pm
Barnyard wrote:Jim, from the way I see it I don't believ it has a hole. I don't have access to it. My cousin has been providing the photos.
I enlarged one of your first pictures, and it appears to have a hole in the latch part.
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Tue Jan 15, 2013 7:37 pm
Don't know what that is. I remember as a young boy about 14yrs tying wire at a stationary baler.
Tue Jan 15, 2013 10:24 pm
I can see how it might work. The free end if the wire through the loop and then into the hole of the hinged piece. pivot so the hinge closes to secure the wire. Pull to tighten the wire, then push it backwards against the bail to secure. slip off the wire and slide the wire end under the running part of the wire and bend up to lock in place.
I can visualize it and hope I have described it so others can see what I am thinking. I kind of guess you would want a pair of pliers too, though I can see picking the wire after it is slipped under to grip it to lock the stitch.
This tool would be light yet still grip the wire and fit into a pocket. It would fit into a pocket in a pair of overalls which would be deep enough to hol and not fall out.
Wed Jan 16, 2013 7:11 am
A baler described with hand tying was made by Case. Luckily I was too young to work on it but my uncle had one. I have no idea if a tool like that was used. I am however going to question it, I feel it would be difficult at best to feed a wire thru the small hole while bouncing across a field but I have been wrong before. Some of the wires had a loop on one end and the other end was twisted to tye the bale. Another design had a loop with a slot formed by the wire the same width as the wire. The other end had a ball which was slipped thru the hole and would pull back into the slot as the bale expanded leaving the chamber, this however did not allow the crew to control the length of the bale unless they were tyed by twisting. I do remember trying to feed these bales, both styles of wire, as they were heavy and I had to break them open in the mow and carry a few slabs at a time. As to auto tye wire, both Moline and JD built them. On a JD the plunger ran sideways and a large 90 degree chute was necessary to turn the bale towards the wagon. This also made the bales look like bananas. Vern
Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:09 am
What looked like a hole may have been a rust spot.
Wed Jan 16, 2013 11:33 am
With the hole question settled, I agree with Clint, pan handle. The one in this patent is quite different but the similarities on the "working end" are pretty strong.http://www.google.com/patents?id=pMdVAAAAEBAJ&pg=PA1&source=gbs_selected_pages&cad=2#v=onepage&q&f=false
Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:00 pm
That makes the most sense to me now.
Also, on the back side of the latch, does it look like some numbers on it... enlarged it looks like a couple 2's, but then again, it is not a clear close up and it could be my minds eye playing tricks on me.
Wed Jan 16, 2013 12:06 pm
I agree with Clint. It makes the most sense so far. I tried to Google pan handle when he suggested it and all I got was links to areas in Florida and Texas.
Wed Jan 16, 2013 1:35 pm
Well, I told my cousin what the possible answer was and recommended she grab a pan and try it. I got this from her a few minutes ago.
Let me know what the final consensus is,
but it’s looking like Grandma gets the last laugh...
I think she is tickled to know she now has something her grandmother used in the kitchen instead of Uncle Walter using in the field
She also sent these along;
Thanks Clint for the answer. And thanks also to everybody else for your help.
Wed Jan 16, 2013 3:16 pm
Sure had my imagination run away on me.
Thu Jan 17, 2013 10:32 am
This is the style I remember. What ever happened to it??????????
Currently on Ebay
Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:05 am
v w wrote:This is the style I remember. What ever happened to it??????????
Thu Jan 17, 2013 11:45 am
Corning Ware had removeable handles, but we never used them. They had to be put on and the screw tightened.
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