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Clutch issue

Postby Brendan In NC » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:18 pm

My 64 Cub has a bit of a clutch problem i can only press in it all but so much till it sound like something bout the snap! Is the Clutch Rod out of adjustment? by any chance. any info will help Thanks......
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby glennhuff » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:26 pm

Brendan,
I don't know what kind of sound you are talking about, but I guess the first question has to be, does the clutch disengage before the pedal stops moving? Are you able to shift the transmission into gear with the engine running? If you have one inch of free play, then I think the only thing that stops the clutch rod is the pressure plate fingers bottoming out. Does anyone with more experience understand what is going on here? I guess a little more info would be helpful.

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Re: Clutch issue

Postby cub47 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:31 pm

Brendan, remove the clutch housing hand hole cover on the bottom of the torque tube, take a flashlight and get a better idea of what is going on inside, without seeing it in person it is hard to troubleshoot your problem. There are some key adjustments that must be in place as Glenn mentioned, but I am wondering how much of the graphite release bearing surface you have left held in place by the retainer.
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby Brendan In NC » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:37 pm

Well all it will do is when you push the petal in only a inch before you hear a grinding sound kinda. next time im near it ill take a look first thing!
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby cub47 » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:38 pm

Visually check the thickness of the graphite bearing as it protrudes from the retainer as shown in this photo from TM Tractor:

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Re: Clutch issue

Postby glennhuff » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:48 pm

Sounds like you have no bearing left and the cast bearing housing is rubbing on the pressure plate fingers.
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby clodhopper » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:48 pm

As cubguy stated, look in the handhole and see if all three fingers are equal distance from the release bearing.Does the clutch pedal seem to "pulsate" when you hear the noise?
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby Brendan In NC » Tue Mar 12, 2013 9:53 pm

Yes i can only push it in so far before it sounds like its grinding. About an inch or so.
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Just a Clean Strong run of the mill Farmall 140 with very little Wear.

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Woods C-42 Belly mower, 1963 IH McCormick #215 Plow, IH #144 Cultivators, IH Side Dresser (in need of some work non working at the moment)

Re: Clutch issue

Postby clodhopper » Tue Mar 12, 2013 10:05 pm

Brendan In NC wrote:Yes i can only push it in so far before it sounds like its grinding. About an inch or so.


I would guess the fingers are out of adjustment. Possibly a stripped adjustment stud. It shoul dbe obvious once you look up in the hole though. If you have doubts, take a picture of what you see in the hole and we will help as best we can.
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby Brendan In NC » Fri Mar 15, 2013 4:52 pm

Well yesterday i greased the ever loving snot outta the throwout bearing an clutch release bearing an it sure has quite down some at least i can push it in half way!
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1964 Farmall 140 #27512
Just a Clean Strong run of the mill Farmall 140 with very little Wear.

Also have a bit of equipment
Woods C-42 Belly mower, 1963 IH McCormick #215 Plow, IH #144 Cultivators, IH Side Dresser (in need of some work non working at the moment)

Re: Clutch issue

Postby Dale Finch » Fri Mar 15, 2013 9:50 pm

I had a similar problem a while back, and it turned out the fingers of the clutch were out of adjustment. The terrible noise actually began after I had adjusted the pedal free-play for the recommended 1", and the TOB carrier began hitting the tops of the adjustment bolts before the TOB itself hit the clutch fingers. It was really a gawd-awful noise! After I adjusted the clutch, I still had to make the free-play a bit more than 1".

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Re: Clutch issue

Postby cub47 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 8:02 pm

Brendan In NC wrote:Well yesterday i greased the ever loving snot outta the throwout bearing an clutch release bearing an it sure has quite down some at least i can push it in half way!


How did the adjustment of the pressure plate fingers appear when you looked up inside? How much wear did you have left on the throw out bearing?
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Re: Clutch issue

Postby Brendan In NC » Sat Mar 16, 2013 9:23 pm

cubguy47 wrote:
Brendan In NC wrote:Well yesterday i greased the ever loving snot outta the throwout bearing an clutch release bearing an it sure has quite down some at least i can push it in half way!


How did the adjustment of the pressure plate fingers appear when you looked up inside? How much wear did you have left on the throw out bearing?

it looked a little like in the picture. i just wish i knew what i was looking for. im going back down to it late next week an ill make sure to take a good long look around inside there i only had a half hour last im gonna check it out a little better next.
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1964 Farmall 140 #27512
Just a Clean Strong run of the mill Farmall 140 with very little Wear.

Also have a bit of equipment
Woods C-42 Belly mower, 1963 IH McCormick #215 Plow, IH #144 Cultivators, IH Side Dresser (in need of some work non working at the moment)

Re: Clutch issue

Postby cub47 » Sat Mar 16, 2013 10:51 pm

Brendan In NC wrote:
cubguy47 wrote:
Brendan In NC wrote:Well yesterday i greased the ever loving snot outta the throwout bearing an clutch release bearing an it sure has quite down some at least i can push it in half way!


How did the adjustment of the pressure plate fingers appear when you looked up inside? How much wear did you have left on the throw out bearing?

i just wish i knew what i was looking for.


This how-to by Jeff Silvey will give you a good start as to what to look for and how to adjust. The Cubs could have come with one of two style clutches--Rockford or Auburn--but this will help you understand the basics of how it works and the adjustment process.

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