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Cast Iron Cub Bears on Ebay?
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Cast Iron Cub Bears on Ebay?
What is the deal with the little bears for sale on ebay. Did they come with a cub or something. Why did they make different ones, some chrome looking, brass, etc. Just wanting some info on these little guys. Thanks Brandon.
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Brandon, I believe they were given to those that purchased an IH tractor during that time period. I have one that was my Grandfathers, though I don't think he ever did own a cub, I know he had a few IH tractors in his time... Dewight
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No, they weren't given out when you bought a tractor. Go here to read a bit of the history of the Bears and Cadets http://www.ky24ihc.org/cadetsnbears.html
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Since you didn't post the eBay numbers, and I can't see them up close, I don't know if they are fakes or not. IH did make some aluminum bears, but very, very few and I am told they were made by the pattern shop to test the patterns. That "1943 is probably Jan 1949, the date on some of them are hard to read. The "bear" was used by IH to advertise the Farmall Cub - "A Cub in size, but a bear for work", and since the Cub didn't come out until 1947, I doubt if there were any IH bears dated 1943. The new foundry at Louisville works opened in Jan 1949, and the bears were supposedly the first thing cast and at about 10:30 at night according to some reports.
There are a lot of the reproduction bears that were cast in the Louisville area in recent years, both in aluminum and brass, a lot more than IH ever made in those materials. Think about it, probably the last thing you want in a grey iron foundry is molten brass or aluminum..........
Since you didn't post the eBay numbers, and I can't see them up close, I don't know if they are fakes or not. IH did make some aluminum bears, but very, very few and I am told they were made by the pattern shop to test the patterns. That "1943 is probably Jan 1949, the date on some of them are hard to read. The "bear" was used by IH to advertise the Farmall Cub - "A Cub in size, but a bear for work", and since the Cub didn't come out until 1947, I doubt if there were any IH bears dated 1943. The new foundry at Louisville works opened in Jan 1949, and the bears were supposedly the first thing cast and at about 10:30 at night according to some reports.
There are a lot of the reproduction bears that were cast in the Louisville area in recent years, both in aluminum and brass, a lot more than IH ever made in those materials. Think about it, probably the last thing you want in a grey iron foundry is molten brass or aluminum..........
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All that I know about the bears is contained in the article Paul posted the link to. I have had a cast iron one for some time now. Here is a link to the auction for the aluminum bear:
http://cgi.ebay.com/CAST-ALUMINUM-IH-FARMALL-BEAR-CUB-STATUE-1949_W0QQitemZ7204620992QQcategoryZ831QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
http://cgi.ebay.com/CAST-ALUMINUM-IH-FARMALL-BEAR-CUB-STATUE-1949_W0QQitemZ7204620992QQcategoryZ831QQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem
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Paul,
Can you tell us how much of a difference in size we can expect to see if the casting was a reproduction as you mentioned in your article? ( which was very good info.) I have been looking for a Bear and a pin back (like the one Bud got earlier this year) I'm sure it will be a long search, but worth the wait!
Thanks Ron
Can you tell us how much of a difference in size we can expect to see if the casting was a reproduction as you mentioned in your article? ( which was very good info.) I have been looking for a Bear and a pin back (like the one Bud got earlier this year) I'm sure it will be a long search, but worth the wait!
Thanks Ron
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The reproductions are up to an 1/8" or 3/16" smaller in height, and in the size of the base (both side to side and front to back). I have one of the brass and one of the aluminum bears and the aluminum is even smaller than the brass. The ears are also thicker at the top on the repro's
The bear should be 4" tall as measured from the top of the base to the top of the head, not including the ears. The base should be 2-7/16" front to back, 2-3/16" side to side at the widest point (center), and 2" at the narrowest point (extreme front or rear). These measurements can vary a bit (1/32"-1/16") depending on how much if any clean up was done to the casting. The chrome bears normally have more buffing/grinding/polishing on the edges, base, and mold line, than do the run of the mill bears. The only dates I am aware of on the bears are Jan 1949, and a very few dated 11-20-73.
The Cadets are dated Nov 1960, 11-20-73, and 9-14-74. I also have a Cadet without a date. They should be 4-29/32"+- 1/32" from the top of the base to the top of the back of his hat, the base is 2-1/8" front to back, side to side is 2-9/16" at the narrow point, 2-5/8" at the widest point.
Anything less (1/16" or more) than these measurements I would not spend my money on if I wanted only original castings. Some people don't care if it is original or a repop, they just want a bear, and if they are happy with that, and know it is a reproduction, that is fine with me. The originals can be quite pricey, specially the one holding a tractor. I have one holding a tractor that came off eBay for very little money because all the lettering and the date had been sanded off. The bear is painted black and the tractor was red. I assume the PO maybe just collected bears and did not want the IH connection (lettering) and removed it. Had they only known......
The bear should be 4" tall as measured from the top of the base to the top of the head, not including the ears. The base should be 2-7/16" front to back, 2-3/16" side to side at the widest point (center), and 2" at the narrowest point (extreme front or rear). These measurements can vary a bit (1/32"-1/16") depending on how much if any clean up was done to the casting. The chrome bears normally have more buffing/grinding/polishing on the edges, base, and mold line, than do the run of the mill bears. The only dates I am aware of on the bears are Jan 1949, and a very few dated 11-20-73.
The Cadets are dated Nov 1960, 11-20-73, and 9-14-74. I also have a Cadet without a date. They should be 4-29/32"+- 1/32" from the top of the base to the top of the back of his hat, the base is 2-1/8" front to back, side to side is 2-9/16" at the narrow point, 2-5/8" at the widest point.
Anything less (1/16" or more) than these measurements I would not spend my money on if I wanted only original castings. Some people don't care if it is original or a repop, they just want a bear, and if they are happy with that, and know it is a reproduction, that is fine with me. The originals can be quite pricey, specially the one holding a tractor. I have one holding a tractor that came off eBay for very little money because all the lettering and the date had been sanded off. The bear is painted black and the tractor was red. I assume the PO maybe just collected bears and did not want the IH connection (lettering) and removed it. Had they only known......
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No. 12 Rotary Weeder Attachment
Pittsburg Carry-Lift
Brookfield Buzz Saw
IH McCormick Seed Plate Test Stand - Location: London, Kentucky
- Brandon Webb
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1969 International 140
1975 International Cub
Cub 174 Planter with Row Markers
Cub 201 Planter with Row Markers
No. 27 Corn and Pea Attachments
No. 12 Rotary Weeder Attachment
Pittsburg Carry-Lift
Brookfield Buzz Saw
IH McCormick Seed Plate Test Stand - Location: London, Kentucky
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I'll try to post the pictures
This is some of them, center ones are chrome, reproductions are on the right.
This shows the 1949 and 1973 dates. notice how hard the 49 is to read on this one
Thr brass copy is on the left, an original in the center, and aluminum on the right, and gives you some idea of the size difference.
Original bears with tractor are selling for $150 and UP in the antique stores around here, when they can be found. An average price is probably closer to $200. Bears without the tractor are less, and as people learn the difference's the price has come down quite a bit on eBay.
They were only made at the Louisville Works.
This is some of them, center ones are chrome, reproductions are on the right.
This shows the 1949 and 1973 dates. notice how hard the 49 is to read on this one
Thr brass copy is on the left, an original in the center, and aluminum on the right, and gives you some idea of the size difference.
Original bears with tractor are selling for $150 and UP in the antique stores around here, when they can be found. An average price is probably closer to $200. Bears without the tractor are less, and as people learn the difference's the price has come down quite a bit on eBay.
They were only made at the Louisville Works.
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I tried to put this on a web site. If its ok to leave it there I will. Until maybe Rudi can put it on his site.
http://users.vnet.net/jamhudson/pics/My%20Webs/The%20reproductions%20are%20up%20to%20an%201.htm
I tried to put this on a web site. If its ok to leave it there I will. Until maybe Rudi can put it on his site.
http://users.vnet.net/jamhudson/pics/My%20Webs/The%20reproductions%20are%20up%20to%20an%201.htm
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