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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Tue Oct 30, 2018 11:35 am

My gravely tractor with the snow cannon one is 4:1 ratio the other is 10:1 ratio. My gravely l8 8 speed with the 4:1 ratio snow cannon will toss 4” of slush over the tops of telephone poles. All my neighbors watched it.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Tue Oct 30, 2018 4:04 pm

You need a creeper for the snowblower and tiller. Or if you had smaller diameter tires on the rear. Anything to slow the tractor down or you could speed up the blower?

What about adding a hydraulic pump on the PTO and run the blower hydraulically?
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby outdoors4evr » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:33 am

Need???? No, but you will go through clutches in an awful hurry!
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby Mike H » Wed Oct 31, 2018 6:43 pm

outdoors4evr wrote:Need???? No, but you will go through clutches in an awful hurry!


so true,,
broke the new pto shaft and destroyed the clutch pack early last season
glad the pony motor is working out great
too much load for the tractor [185]

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby mozer71 » Wed Oct 31, 2018 11:00 pm

Been thinking about this a while . There are large planetary units used in industry and they weigh a lot. They weigh a bit more than wheel weights or right close. Fastened to the axles hubs, they extend and the wheels are turned inward to have the same track.
They can be locked as direct drive but before that; There are sun gears and they are internal teeth ring gear inverse. Many know this stuff and many more decent transmissions went to scrap .

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby mozer71 » Sat Nov 03, 2018 5:58 pm

I will propose this as a separate in OT.

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:54 pm

I was rethinking this with my Willy’s jeep today. To slow it down more a 4 speed and replacing the 2:1 ratio transfer case with a 3:1 transfercase and add a hydraulic snowblower. I have 75hp.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Tue Nov 06, 2018 5:57 pm

mozer71 wrote:Been thinking about this a while . There are large planetary units used in industry and they weigh a lot. They weigh a bit more than wheel weights or right close. Fastened to the axles hubs, they extend and the wheels are turned inward to have the same track.
They can be locked as direct drive but before that; There are sun gears and they are internal teeth ring gear inverse. Many know this stuff and many more decent transmissions went to scrap .


I wonder if the final drives can be machined to fit the jeep diff’s. I have three sets of extra finals, two tranny, one c60. I’m too old to plow.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby mozer71 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 1:17 am

Super that you have a mature Willy. I haven't thought about that situation but it would probably be one unit between the transmission and transfer case-but that is built together..heck I don't know :( The stuff I was considering is right heavy, attaching to the rear wheel hubs. This unit can't float like on a drive shaft. It has to have a heavy hollow axle and ring gear drum. - which can be drilled/machined to fit our Cub wheels.

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby mozer71 » Wed Nov 07, 2018 2:19 am

Remember the Allis Chalmers/ Simplicity garden tractors. The transmission had no differential but there was one planetary at one axle. These GTs lasted a long time and those small planetarys wore out. They served their purpose for decades. A larger version of this at each wheel, would be detected by our differentials. This has already been done but now at lower speed.
Units as these would be limited slip and mechanically use the differential no further than maintain its purpose. Far better to not have the finals struggling and engine rev'd to max. The torque applied to the planetary hubs.

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Thu Nov 08, 2018 8:16 am

The creeper comes in handy when plowing heavy wet, deep snow too.

On my third int154 with the creeper in low the clutch wouldn’t slip. In high the clutch would slip. When I installed the new clutch I found out I had one good clutch spring the other two springs were broke. I replaced everything since it was apart.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby outdoors4evr » Thu Nov 08, 2018 12:33 pm

Sorry about steering your thread in a different direction...
Don't you just add a granny gear transmission to the Jeep / Willys?
https://www.ebay.com/i/142973201656?chn=ps

They also make an underdrive called a Rubicrawler that looks like a creeper for the output of the transmission.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Sun Nov 18, 2018 5:47 pm

It again,,,,,,off topic.

I’m thinking about a disconnected transfer case with a input drive shaft and two yokes going to the f&r differentials. With the disconnected transfercase there’s a front input yoke. This allows me to use any engine transmission combination. I’m thinking enough hp for a hydraulic powered blower. I have a running roller 4x4 sitting here.

The misses says go buy a new tractor that can mow, FEL, backhoe, she thinks $18,000 would do it. I’m thinking $50k and it’s going to sit.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby outdoors4evr » Mon Nov 26, 2018 10:33 am

I used to try to make one machine do it all. Most activities end up being a compromise.

To mow, I need a light tractor with high flotation, turf tires and a large mower deck.
For tilling the garden, I need a method of turning over the earth. This requires a rototiller and a very low gear (creeper and 3-point).
To move snow, I need a heavy tractor with lots of traction (chains) and high ground clearance (mower deck must be removed) and a plow.

After spending all my time switching implements per the season, I see the value in having stand alone implements. Getting to think that Barnyard was correct. One tractor, one implement.
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Re: do you have to have a creeper gear for blowing snow

Postby BigBill » Thu Dec 20, 2018 5:10 pm

One machine to do it all? Bought my Willy’s 25 years ago. All she does is plow snow.

My first int154 with a 3pt hitch and belly mounted 3260/60” finish mower.
My second int154 my FEL/ backhoe project. My health put a hault on it.
My third 154 with creeper with snowplow.
My fcub has the Kub klipper.

I’m getting too old to drag and change attachments.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.


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