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Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Dan Stuckey » Mon Dec 24, 2018 7:05 am

Well the rims and tires on the old Cub are just plain toast. Bought a new set of rims and now looking for tires. Currently had turf tires. Hard to believe the price difference between turf tires at 400 each vs 150 for Ag tires. So wondering what difference I’ll notice if I go to the Ag tires? Sure they’ll be better if I get into a muddy spot while mowing. And mowing is all I do with the Cub. Is the ride bumpy with the Ag tires? Pro and cons? Price will probably make me go Ag. Tks. Btw, mowing with a Woods 59”.

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Rick Spivey » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:04 am

Don't know what kind of lawn (?) you are mowing, but Ag tires will create more rutting if it is wet or soft, especially where you turn tight corners. That being said, I use them on our centipede lawn all the time; it recovers.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby MiCarl » Mon Dec 24, 2018 8:14 am

Both my tractors (Cub & Speedex) have R1 Ag tires. While I don't mow with either they both do get driven on the lawn. So long as it's dry (or frozen) they don't seem to leave a mark. When the soil is damp, which is rare here because it's quite sandy, they will leave a herringbone pattern. Frankly, when it's wet enough for them to damage the lawn I wouldn't mow either.

Overall I think I get less damage from the tractors than I get from squirrels and deer.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby inairam » Mon Dec 24, 2018 9:03 am

If you have a wet lawn the AG tires will do damage. Turf tires are hard to find used but they are out there. You may need to buy a cub to get them

If you plow snow turf tires with chains are a better set up than AG or AG and chains.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Puffie40 » Mon Dec 24, 2018 11:58 am

Agricultural tires (tire guys also know them as R-1 tread) work best if you are running on loose dirt or mud. This will mean, especially for new tires, you will tear up the ground a little bit as you do sharp turns. Turf tires sacrifice traction for a tread that is softer on sod. If you can live with doing more sod repair, by all means go with the R-1. I don't think you will notice much difference in ride while on your lawn. Where you will notice it is on hard road surfaces, where it will be a bit shaky.

R-1 24" tires are likely cheaper because this size of tire is now used on MFWD tractors for the front wheels, so there is a stronger demand.

Regarding chains, ladder chains will slip between the lugs of R1 tires. If you get used tires with worn down lugs, or have construction style R4 tread, this isnt too big of a problem. To get around this, you need a diamond pattern chain which forces the chain to ride the top of the lugs. The main disadvantage to this style of tire chain is it's heavier than ladder chains due to more links required.

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby SONNY » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:10 pm

I don't notice any damage with ag's in my yard, and I mow when wet with a cub. The ride is the same with either design. My 185 loboy has fat diamond tread tires and they do make a big ole wide rut in soft ground. also spin out a lot. thanks; sonny

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Gary S. » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:17 pm

Did not realize there was that big a difference. About 10 years ago we took the oem's off our Ford and put new ags on and took out the calcium chloride. Since they newish,softer than than the old 1940's ones and sharp they really tear up the lawn when starting,stopping or turning with the brakes. We wish we had gotten the turf's but that was before you said the price! Got worn out ags on the Farmall and turfs on the Lo Boy

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby John *.?-!.* cub owner » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:34 pm

If your ground is soft and sandy the ag tires will make tracks. If it is harder and clay not much problem unless it is pretty wet. Also there is a big difference in ag tires. Some have wider lugs,and some have small narrow lugs. also the spacing is different, some have lugs closer together than others. The wider closer lugs obviously do less lawn damage.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby inairam » Mon Dec 24, 2018 12:45 pm

I have this style R3? on one cub and it a good all around tire that takes chains very well. Slips less than a diamond tread turf tire but does not damage the turf.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Dan Stuckey » Mon Dec 24, 2018 10:30 pm

Thanks for all the input guys. I’d like to stick with the turf tires but I guess the bucks will direct me to the Ag tires. This is for our churches picnic ground and some areas stay a bit damp until early summer but I’ll just have to deal with it. Just can’t justify spending the extra loot.

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby MiCarl » Tue Dec 25, 2018 7:16 am

I did a bit of poking around waiting for the Mrs. to get up (she's sick!). It looks like WalMart sells the Farm Specialist for $149 with free shipping to local store:

Carlisle Farm Specialist R-1 Farm Tire - 8.3-24 LRC/6 ply
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby inairam » Tue Dec 25, 2018 10:40 am

I found these FIRESTONE 8.3-24 Tires For Sale In Redwood Falls, Minnesota used $42. They look mounted on the wrong jd rims but you can call.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/f ... tone-83-24 ( let me know if you are not interested I may buy them)

If you are looking for rims I got a lead from a PO on a Cub I purchased

This Wenger supplies to the farmers and OEM manufacturers in Lancaster and York Countries in PA

$85 each powder coated silver and he ships or you can pick up. He UPSed them to my door.

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby Dan Stuckey » Wed Dec 26, 2018 5:19 pm

[quote="inairam"]I found these FIRESTONE 8.3-24 Tires For Sale In Redwood Falls, Minnesota used $42. They look mounted on the wrong jd rims but you can call.

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/f ... tone-83-24 ( let me know if you are not interested I may buy them)

If you are looking for rims I got a lead from a PO on a Cub I purchased

This Wenger supplies to the farmers and OEM manufacturers in Lancaster and York Countries in PA

$85 each powder coated silver and he ships or you can pick up. He UPSed them to my door.

Aaron wenger
717-656-9876
Wenger systems
264 voganville rd
new holland pa[/quot

Tks for looking them up but I had rims delivered a couple days ago and had my tire guy order in the Ag tires. Had I not ordered the tires I could have been interested in these. Good price if the rubber was decent. I wouldn’t be worried about the tread depth as they seem to age out before they wear out. Ha

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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby jsfarmall » Fri Dec 28, 2018 9:40 am

I got both. I actually garden with my turf tires and mow with ag tires. Not by design that's just the cubs the tires are mounted on and they work out great. Nothing I can't do with my turf tires. Just make sure everything is good and dry they do not like wet ground in the least. Mowing with my ag tires are just fine too. If the ground is dry you won't have any trouble tearing up the yard. You will do more damage with front tire selection than the back. Ribbed tires will peel up the yard in turns.
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Re: Ag tires vs turf tires?

Postby ajhbike » Fri Dec 28, 2018 10:03 am

I am glad you mentioned that js...I have ribbed and trailer tires on the fronts and both cubs peel up the grass on anything less than a gentle turn....I end up stopping, reversing and then going rather than waste the time on a wide turn.


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