A h/p confusing topic, for me

[Jim Becker]

Some of you continue to confuse force with power. It isn't just a question of how much something can pull, but also how fast it pulls it. You can attach one end of a come-along to a standing tree and the other end to a log. You will be able to move the log. But it doesn't mean you are producing far more than 2 horsepower. You will be there all day to move it a few feet.

Watts determination of one horsepower was not the maximum a horse could produce. It was based on what a horse could continuously produce (or do on average) during a day's work.

[inairam]

"How to increase horsepower for cheap

This is an Argentine Falabella horse. They grow to about 16 inches tall. They aren’t particularly strong, so if you measure engine output in Falabella Horsepower, you have more horsepower."

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One way to make a cub a 45hp tractor

[Matt Kirsch]

I'm a little late to this party and it may have already been stated, but the reason for the 35HP recommendation on your Woods backhoe was most likely due to the SIZE and/or WEIGHT of the tractor needed to handle the backhoe. HP recommendations are used because that figure is readily available, and most likely to be known by the owner of the tractor.

That's why it has worked fine on your Cub all these years. A compact tractor the physical size and weight of a Cub generally runs around 30-35 engine HP.

[Urbish]

I'm a little late to this party and it may have already been stated, but the reason for the 35HP recommendation on your Woods backhoe was most likely due to the SIZE and/or WEIGHT of the tractor needed to handle the backhoe. HP recommendations are used because that figure is readily available, and most likely to be known by the owner of the tractor.

That's why it has worked fine on your Cub all these years. A compact tractor the physical size and weight of a Cub generally runs around 30-35 engine HP.

I was thinking this, but was struggling to put it into words. I think you're dead-on.

[Rick Prentice]

Matt. I think you're right. Woods probably figured they'd have to get too technical on specifics so that specific size tractor was easier. The Kabota the backhoe was mounted on was similar in size to the cub (shorter but beefier)

Now, if I had to go strictly by the size of the backhoe Woods 7500 groundbreaker, an Auburn 6 gal pump 540rpm, backhoe weighed =/- 950#(optional 16" bucket and rubber street pads and pump kit)
New Updated info from Woods
Specifications

GENERAL
Tractor Engine HP 25 - 50 hp
Tractor PTO 20 - 40 hp
Digging depth - 2' flat 90"
Digging depth - 8' flat 70"
Rear bumper 119"
Loading height 73"
Loading Reach 46"
Transport height 74"
Transport length 45"
Approx. Shipping Weight (w/o Bucket) 842 lbs
Swing arc 180°
Bucket rotation 180°
Leveling Angle 10°
Relief pressure 2,470 psi
Bucket digging force 3,380 lbs
Dipperstick digging force 2,230 lbs
Bucket widths 9", 12", 16", 18", 24"
Thumb Optional mechanical
Flip-Over Stabilizer Pads Yes
Stabilizer street pads Optional
PTO pump kit Optional


I probably should've passed on the project but glad I didnt.

[Stanton]

I'm a little late to this party and it may have already been stated, but the reason for the 35HP recommendation on your Woods backhoe was most likely due to the SIZE and/or WEIGHT of the tractor needed to handle the backhoe. HP recommendations are used because that figure is readily available, and most likely to be known by the owner of the tractor.

That's why it has worked fine on your Cub all these years. A compact tractor the physical size and weight of a Cub generally runs around 30-35 engine HP.

Only fashionably late...but right on target.

[ShawnAgne]

Matt. I think you're right. Woods probably figured they'd have to get too technical on specifics so that specific size tractor was easier. The Kabota the backhoe was mounted on was similar in size to the cub (shorter but beefier)

Now, if I had to go strictly by the size of the backhoe Woods 7500 groundbreaker, an Auburn 6 gal pump 540rpm, backhoe weighed =/- 950#(optional 16" bucket and rubber street pads and pump kit)
New Updated info from Woods
Specifications

GENERAL
Tractor Engine HP 25 - 50 hp
Tractor PTO 20 - 40 hp
Digging depth - 2' flat 90"
Digging depth - 8' flat 70"
Rear bumper 119"
Loading height 73"
Loading Reach 46"
Transport height 74"
Transport length 45"
Approx. Shipping Weight (w/o Bucket) 842 lbs
Swing arc 180°
Bucket rotation 180°
Leveling Angle 10°
Relief pressure 2,470 psi
Bucket digging force 3,380 lbs
Dipperstick digging force 2,230 lbs
Bucket widths 9", 12", 16", 18", 24"
Thumb Optional mechanical
Flip-Over Stabilizer Pads Yes
Stabilizer street pads Optional
PTO pump kit Optional


I probably should've passed on the project but glad I didnt.

Just because I think that project is one of the neater things I've seen is it in a thread here on the forum? Very curious how things were done.

[Matt Kirsch]

I probably should've passed on the project but glad I didnt.

Even an "underpowered" backhoe is better than a shovel any day!!!

[Slim140]

I probably should've passed on the project but glad I didnt.

Even an "underpowered" backhoe is better than a shovel any day!!!

I got out of high school early my junior and senior year and worked at a large landscape nursery. We were taking a break one day and the boss walked up and ask "anybody ever run a backhoe?" one boy said "my grandpa had one, I ran it some" boss said come on, walked out and he had a wheelbarrow and a shovel, nobody ever coughed up info about running anything after that

[Rick Prentice]

ShawnAgne asked " is it in a thread here on the forum? Very curious how things were done." Here's the very first post about it back in '04. viewtopic.php?f=1&t=5387&hilit=backhoe

Matt wrote "Even an "underpowered" backhoe is better than a shovel any day!!!"
Very true. there's No Way I would dig these next few pics by hand
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... =53&pos=48
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... =53&pos=71
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... m=53&pos=6
Plus 700feet of drainage trenching at my old property, 400 feet at the neighbor's, 300feet of waterline at my brother's, numerous deep holes for neighbor's pet dog burials, even a sheep, numerous bush and tree removal/transplants, the list goes on.

I was amazed at how many people at various tractor shows would make the comment "that thing wouldn't dig deep enough to bury a water line" or "that thing is useless" My reply was always "Grab a shovel and lets have a contest"

Rick

[Gary S.]

Great analogy Rick. I'll bet people told the Wright brothers they would never fly either

[coppersmythe]

ShawnAgne asked " is it in a thread here on the forum? Very curious how things were done." Here's the very first post about it back in '04. http://www.farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewto ... it=backhoe

Matt wrote "Even an "underpowered" backhoe is better than a shovel any day!!!"
Very true. there's No Way I would dig these next few pics by hand
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... =53&pos=48
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... =53&pos=71
http://photos.cubfest.com/displayimage. ... m=53&pos=6
Plus 700feet of drainage trenching at my old property, 400 feet at the neighbor's, 300feet of waterline at my brother's, numerous deep holes for neighbor's pet dog burials, even a sheep, numerous bush and tree removal/transplants, the list goes on.

I was amazed at how many people at various tractor shows would make the comment "that thing wouldn't dig deep enough to bury a water line" or "that thing is useless" My reply was always "Grab a shovel and lets have a contest"

Rick

so many people have said it "couldn't , wouldn't, shouldn't work , and gave the "formula's" that said so . rick ( well , hmmmmm) prentice has
been using it with success for "years" . i would be curious to read the reasons/formulas for why it has worked, in spite of the naysayers ? coppersmythe......................................

[BigBill]

The only thing I said was make sure the hydraulic oil doesn’t get too hot. You need a oil tank. Heat and dirt is the biggest killer in hydraulics.

[Matt Kirsch]

so many people have said it "couldn't , wouldn't, shouldn't work , and gave the "formula's" that said so . rick ( well , hmmmmm) prentice has
been using it with success for "years" . i would be curious to read the reasons/formulas for why it has worked, in spite of the naysayers ? coppersmythe......................................

There's a difference between "it won't work" and "you may not be happy with it." Some people simply have trouble articulating the latter and it comes out sounding like the former.

The formulas are for OPTIMAL performance, if you want to squeeze out every last drop of speed and power.

It comes up whenever there's a debate about Cub powered log splitters, especially ones powered off the touch control pump. It's not "not going to work," but it will be slow and/or limited on power. Heck you may be slow and limited on power too, and may not notice, LOL

[coppersmythe]

so many people have said it "couldn't , wouldn't, shouldn't work , and gave the "formula's" that said so . rick ( well , hmmmmm) prentice has
been using it with success for "years" . i would be curious to read the reasons/formulas for why it has worked, in spite of the naysayers ? coppersmythe......................................

There's a difference between "it won't work" and "you may not be happy with it." Some people simply have trouble articulating the latter and it comes out sounding like the former.

The formulas are for OPTIMAL performance, if you want to squeeze out every last drop of speed and power.

It comes up whenever there's a debate about Cub powered log splitters, especially ones powered off the touch control pump. It's not "not going to work," but it will be slow and/or limited on power. Heck you may be slow and limited on power too, and may not notice, LOL

i can only go by ricks reputation , and the description of the work he has done with it , sounds like he's very happy with the performance . i am just curious why it does work so well ( ricks experience) when so many seemed to think it would not . coppersmythe................