Governor question

[Jack]

Hello I was trying to take the governor cover off today, so I could free up the spring lever, and when I was trying to get the cover off, the complete governor came out,
So my question is do I need to line up the markings or can I just slide it back in since i didn't move the gears
Thanks

[Glen]

Hi,
You could try putting it together with the teeth turned like they were. They have to be turned exactly like they were for it to be timed like it was.

Or you could remove the battery Ignition unit, and try aligning the marks on the teeth.
Turn the engine to number 1 cylinder TDC before putting the gear in if you remove the Battery Ignition unit from the engine.

Also you can remove the cap, with the ignition wires in place, when removing the unit from the engine.
When installing the unit, turn the drive so the rotor is pointed to number 1, where the cap would be, which should be the upper right.

If you remove the Battery Ignition unit, don't tip the front end of it down, the drive shaft usually slides out of it onto the ground. It can freely slide out. If it comes out of the unit, it has to be put in correctly, it has several positions it can be put in.

Below is a listing at TM Tractor for a new drive, you can look at the pics.

http://www.tmtractor.com/new/el/162fp.htm

I would check the timing with a timing light after you get it to run again.

[Jack]

If I didn't move anything inside the engine it should still be the way it was, correct?
The only thing that I did move is , that slotted part on the end of the distributor.

[Jim Becker]

If I didn't move anything inside the engine it should still be the way it was, correct?
The only thing that I did move is , that slotted part on the end of the distributor.

After removing the governor shaft, you can see:
A) a slot in the back of and as a part of the governor shaft.
B) a cross bar on a shaft that can be seen looking in the block through the hole the governor shaft came out of.

If the thing you moved that you called "that slotted part on the end of the distributor" is item "B", you have blown the idea "didn't move anything inside the engine" and will probably have to time it from scratch.

If you have not moved anything inside the engine, including "B", you may be able to just reinstall the governor. You need to orient it so the slot "A" slides in place over bar "B" without "B" turning. You need to pay attention to the spiral of the teeth while installing the shaft.

[Jack]

Looking at part B in the manual is the part I moved
In the manual on page 1-42, the top picture shows the slotted part I moved
So I guess I better time it from scratch, and hope I don't mess up it more than I already did.

[Jim Becker]

I assume you are referring to manual GSS-1411. I so, sorry that I happened to use "A" and "B" the reverse of the way the manual did. I take it that you have not moved the bar/shaft on the distributor. You should go ahead and try just reinstalling the governor shaft. As I said, You need to orient it so the slot slides in place over the bar on the distributor drive shaft without the shaft turning. You need to pay attention to the spiral of the teeth while installing the shaft.

[Jack]

I assume you are referring to manual GSS-1411. I so, sorry that I happened to use "A" and "B" the reverse of the way the manual did. I take it that you have not moved the bar/shaft on the distributor. You should go ahead and try just reinstalling the governor shaft. As I said, You need to orient it so the slot slides in place over the bar on the distributor drive shaft without the shaft turning. You need to pay attention to the spiral of the teeth while installing the shaft.

Thank you Jim

[Jack]

I assume you are referring to manual GSS-1411. I so, sorry that I happened to use "A" and "B" the reverse of the way the manual did. I take it that you have not moved the bar/shaft on the distributor. You should go ahead and try just reinstalling the governor shaft. As I said, You need to orient it so the slot slides in place over the bar on the distributor drive shaft without the shaft turning. You need to pay attention to the spiral of the teeth while installing the shaft.

I ended up bringing it up to TDC , made sure the rotor was pointing where number one is on the distributor,
Now I have to wait for a new throttle spring lever before I can try and start it, the

Update!!!!
I decided to start from scratch, I pulled the dist.housing off to see where the marks are, but couldn't see the gear.

Thank you all for the help

[Jack]

Another question,
I found the punch mark on the governor gear, but I can't seem to find the punch mark on the.ignition drive gear, is it on the governor side, or the distributor side
Thank you
Jack

[Dale Finch]

Unfortunately, I believe it is on the distributor side, and even with the distributor removed, it can be difficult to see...esecially since it is partially blocked by the seal between the dist. and gov. It is advised to make a mark on the gov side, since that is the critical one for gov installation. I actually made a corresponding punch mark on the gov side.

Be aware that the gov sort of "spirals" on, so make sure it is truly lined up with the correct slot. Took me a few tries...kept getting one tooth off!

Also, if you have both dist. & gov off, might as well make sure that seal is not leaking.

[Jack]

Unfortunately, I believe it is on the distributor side, and even with the distributor removed, it can be difficult to see...esecially since it is partially blocked by the seal between the dist. and gov. It is advised to make a mark on the gov side, since that is the critical one for gov installation. I actually made a corresponding punch mark on the gov side.

Be aware that the gov sort of "spirals" on, so make sure it is truly lined up with the correct slot. Took me a few tries...kept getting one tooth off!

Also, if you have both dist. & gov off, might as well make sure that seal is not leaking.

I did notice the wire band in the seal is showing, so I did order a new one, along with other parts.
Do i tap the old seal out with a punch through the distributor Side ? And install the new one through the same side?
While I'm waiting for parts to arrive, I want to locate the markings and mark the teeth on gears

I'm sure I'm going to have more questions as I continue with this project, and use help

Thank you
Jack

[Dale Finch]

There are several discussions on replacing the seal, if you do a search under the FARMALL CUB section. There are also a couple HOW TO's for governor rebuild, if you think that is necessary.

This post might help, though it is for a cub with magneto. Seal info still applies, and hope it helps:
http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=103274&p=817966&hilit=Installing+new+governor+seal#p817966

[Jack]

Thanks Dale

[Jack]

Can the governor be installed so the teeth can be seen. And then install the seal

[Dale Finch]

I believe so. As I said, there have been some posts on installation of the seals. An old post mentions GS 1411 Manual with some good info...maybe someone (Glen?!) will post a link to it.

The seals are available, I think, from NAPA, etc., or TM Tractors, a site sponsor:
http://www.tmtractor.com/new/gv/436fp.htm