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1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Oldgoat » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:30 am

What do I do. I bought my Cub and the number plate shows that it is a 1950. However ALL of the castings are marker "R" = 1948. The dash and gas tank screws for the dash appear to be more like a 1953 with the short eared dash and a fuse. This Cub has a Magneto but a prior owner had switched the whole system to a 12V system with a coil and a alt, and did a very poor job of it, wires all over the place.

I have ripped everything out and started over. New Wires, New parts for the Magneto, New Gen and bracket, New one wire kill switch. I think I have "Most" everything I need. I have been reading the Forums and owner manual and doing my research. I have done many Jeep restorations but this is my first Cub and I'm not doing a real full restoration on it "yet". I just want to get the right parts on it, the right lubes in it and see how she runs and take it from there.

So with that said here is my question. The DASH, Should I have a Long eared dash Without the fuse? This is how my New wire harness is set up. or should I have a short eared Dash with the Fuse and make changes in the wiring? I'm leaning toward the Long eared dash, which means I need to buy a new hood, I have the dash already.

Any advice will be helpful. Thanks

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Urbish » Wed Jan 29, 2020 7:59 am

It all depends on what you want the tractor to be/do when you're done. Do you want to use it for chores? Parades? Museum quality trailer queen?

Here is a timeline of model year changes: http://www.savethecub.com/cub_timeline.htm

If you want a year-correct restoration and advice as to which parts you should use, you need to pick what year you want it to be. Establishing a year for your tractor sounds like a difficult task since it appears to be a mix of components. So if you want to go that route, you need to think about what is most important to you. If you pick 1953 for instance, will it bother you that the tractor is covered with 1948 casting codes and has a 1950 serial number? Finding the 'correct' parts to make it a certain year will be a pricey and time consuming effort, unless you buy a parts tractor of the same year.

If you will use it for chores, parades, and/or fun around the house, it's perfectly acceptable to have a Frankentractor as long as everything is functional to your liking. I would recommend staying the course with what you have for the time being until you can run it around a bit and get familiar with it.
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby tst » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:34 am

53 has fuse in dash, 50 has the fuse on the back of the light switch, 50 is a short dash, do you have a regulator or cut out relay for charging

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Stanton » Wed Jan 29, 2020 9:39 am

Someone could have easily replaced the front end bolster with a 1950 model and just left the serial number intact. You'll have to determine if it's more a 1950 or some other year by taking into consideration all the casting codes. And of course, you're the owner, so trend in whatever direction you would like.
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Barnyard » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:47 am

Could you post a pic of the dash along with your serial number?
http://www.savethecub.com/dash.htm

Does your dash look like this?

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Nelson 634 » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:29 pm

Could it not be a very early 1950 having the casting cast say in late 1948?
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Barnyard » Wed Jan 29, 2020 10:41 pm

Nelson 634 wrote:Could it not be a very early 1950 having the casting cast say in late 1948?

As fast as Cub were selling back then, I doubt there were any cast parts from a 48 left for a 50 model.
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Stanton » Thu Jan 30, 2020 7:33 am

Barnyard wrote:
Nelson 634 wrote:Could it not be a very early 1950 having the casting cast say in late 1948?

As fast as Cub were selling back then, I doubt there were any cast parts from a 48 left for a 50 model.


I agree. Could see a Cub with a few castings varying within a month or two, but not a couple years apart.
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Postby Nelson 634 » Fri Jan 31, 2020 1:24 am

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby inairam » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:30 am

located the engine serial number. http://www.tmtractor.com/id/id_003.htm.

I agree with Urbish if you want a nice tractor the casting codes do not matter. If you want a show tractor and win judging competitions casting codes and bolts are now important. What are your goals with the tractor?

I have 1948 with and engine number from 1961 and a hydraulic pump off of a numbered cub. It is a great tractor.
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Oldgoat » Fri Jan 31, 2020 10:25 am

Okay guys a couple things here 1. Thanks very much for your words of wisdom, I bow to you all. 2. I’m working from my phone because I had to take my computer into Best Buy due to infestation and or virus.
On task here, my dash is not the super rare no eared dash pictured above, I could only wish. The dash I do have is the standard short eared dash, that I currently have the oil pressure gage in with a light switch that has the fuse in the back and a single wire kill switch. I also have a fuse in the das that is doing nothing because the wiring harness does not allow for it. So the fuse is just filler and I hate it every time I look at it because I’m sure it should not be there.
As for what was on the Cub when I bought it for wiring, please don’t ask. I have never seen such a cobbled mess of wires in my life. I swear they had the number one spark plug going to the starter, that’s how bad it was. I just ripped all the 12 volt stuff out and tossed it in the trash and started buying all new 6 volt stuff.
Okay you ask what do I want from my Cub. With me this is somewhat of a difficult question that I think most of you will understand by my saying that I want my Cub to Love ❤️ me.
I don’t really care who sees my Cub or who even likes it but when people do see it I want them to see the within reason that came off the line but has been lightly used. I would like to have all the original parts, in good working order, no leaks. Maybe a little ding here or there but a good paint job.
So what have I done so far. I bought two long eared dashes so I can get rid of the darn fuse and discovered that I need a new hood to make that work out, working on a deal today on that so far we are $50.00 apart.
I have a new radiator because the old one has to many bent parts in it and I want to flush the engine anyway.
Carb has been rebuilt, don’t want a new one because I like the IH in the side of the carb.
All new parts for the magneto including a new seal and wire harness gages and switches.
And many more things.
Info: serial number: 104840 = 1950
Engine: 251341R2
Head: 251223R1
Hydraulic: 354383R1
Transmission Shaft: 351686R1
All indicate a 1948
So I’m sorry this is so long but I’m thinking to make my Cub correct I need to switch to the long eared dash, yes, no?

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Jan 31, 2020 11:11 am

From your description, it sounds like you have a tractor that is mostly '48, but the instrument panel, tank and front bolster may have all come from a '50. It sounds like most of the original electrical parts that are still there were from the '48 but a fuse holder came along with the '50 panel.

If you change out the panel and tank, as you are well on your way to accomplishing, it appears that you will have it pretty well cleaned up as a '48. The only catch will be the '50 serial number. Have found/read the engine number? With the block part number you found, it will probably check out as a '48.

By the way, the oil pressure gage belongs by the oil filter, with the ammeter the only one in the panel.

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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Stanton » Fri Jan 31, 2020 3:40 pm

Oldgoat wrote:...Engine: 251341R2...


That is a part number, not the engine serial number. Click the link below (same link as inairam posted earlier) to find location of your engine serial number:
http://www.tmtractor.com/id/id_003.htm

Let us know what it is...
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Lt.Mike » Fri Jan 31, 2020 4:20 pm

Stanton wrote:
Oldgoat wrote:...Engine: 251341R2...


That is a part number, not the engine serial number. Click the link below (same link as inairam posted earlier) to find location of your engine serial number:
http://www.tmtractor.com/id/id_003.htm

Let us know what it is...

Yes the “R”s your seeing denotes “revision”made to that part.
Part numbers are cast in and are raised. Serial numbers are stamped in.
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Re: 1950 Cub, Kind of? Need HELP

Postby Glen » Fri Jan 31, 2020 7:55 pm

Oldgoat wrote:Info: serial number: 104840 = 1950
Engine: 251341R2
Head: 251223R1
Hydraulic: 354383R1
Transmission Shaft: 351686R1
All indicate a 1948
So I’m sorry this is so long but I’m thinking to make my Cub correct I need to switch to the long eared dash, yes, no?


Hi,
The numbers you wrote above, except for the serial number, are IH part numbers, not the date codes that Cubs usually have.
Every Cub has the IH part numbers, the R in them is not a date code.
I think you are mistaking the R for the year 1948.
Every year of Cubs have the R in the part numbers.

Below is info from TM Tractor showing what date codes are.

http://www.tmtractor.com/id/id_004.htm

Below is info showing where the date codes are.
The code on the clutch housing, in the 1st pic, is usually partly behind the clutch pedal.

http://www.tmtractor.com/id/castdate_loc.htm

It might be a 1950 Cub, like the serial number shows, you should check the date codes.

A 1950 Cub would have the short ear dash, and hood to fit it.
But they didn't use the fuse holder in the bottom hole until serial number 115403.
The Battery Ignition unit, voltage regulator, beside the generator on a bracket, and 3 position light switch, all became available at 115403.
But some older Cubs were converted to the newer system over the years. :)


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