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172 and 174 planter

Postby baldwindiesel » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:18 am

I have a question about the CUB 172 and 174 planters. Is there a difference between the two ?
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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Apr 09, 2022 10:59 am

Evidently the difference is in the seed hoppers and hopper bases that were offered. It is a difference that isn't very obvious as there were multiple hopper choices for both. They just weren't the same choices.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby baldwindiesel » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:32 pm

Jim:
Thank you ! No wonder it's so hard to tell the difference between the two.
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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Mht » Sat Apr 09, 2022 3:46 pm

I restored a planter the other year to use in my big garden. I call it a 174 because it has a combination hopper. The 172 was available with either a single seed, poax, richmond, or duplex hopper. The 174 was available with either a duplex hopper or a combination hopper. The same plates will work in a richmond or combination hopper. Original cast iron or “modern IH lustran plastic plates will work in these two hoppers. The other hoppers require an original plate specific to the hopper. All hoppers require a base specific to them. Several of the hoppers could have three possible bottoms either cotton, corn, or peanuts. If you are setting a planter up to use go with a richmond or combination hopper because of plate availability.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Glen » Sat Apr 09, 2022 9:07 pm

Hi,
Below are the owner's and operator's manuals for them, if you don't have them.
They have lots of info, and pictures.
Read pages 1, 2 and 3, in them, they have info. :)

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... index.html

http://farmallcub.com/rudi_cub/www.clea ... index.html

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Brandon Webb » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:45 am

I always thought the 172 had rigid toolbar mounts and the 174 was later and had the floating mounts with cushion spring.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Apr 11, 2022 10:04 am

Brandon Webb wrote:I always thought the 172 had rigid toolbar mounts and the 174 was later and had the floating mounts with cushion spring.

That was what I thought as well. Then somebody pointed out a later version of the parts catalog that showed the floating mounts as a running change on the Cub-172.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby SamsFarm » Mon Apr 11, 2022 12:54 pm

I think we had this discussion not long ago! :D

http://farmallcub.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?f=1&t=109832&hilit=Planter&sid=0314c9de7754015e76ed1ed2d7c01dd6

Baldwindiesel, please post some pics of your planter in question!

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Apr 11, 2022 1:57 pm


Yes. There is a lot of detail in that thread. It also has a link back to another thread (from 2008) that has even more detail.

Anyone that is really curious about this question should go back and read both threads!

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby baldwindiesel » Mon Apr 11, 2022 8:19 pm

SamsFarm: I have the Parts manual for the 172 and 174 but it doesn't detail the difference between the two . So that is why I am asking.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Brandon Webb » Tue Apr 12, 2022 9:37 am

Really good information, always learning.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby JoeB » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:48 am

From my experience, besides different planter hoppers between the two, the final drive sprockets are different if you want to use the manual for population/rate.

10 Tooth Sprocket for Cub 170, 171, and 172

13 Tooth Sprocket for Cub 173, 174 .

Cub 171 172 Hopper/Drive Choices were regional and included: Richmond, Single Seed, POA/POAX, and Duplex Hopper. Drive is the same for POA/POAX and Duplex.

Cub 173 174 Hopper Drives Choice was: Combination Hopper. Duplex hopper was achieved through an adapter used on the combination drive, not by using the poax/duplex drive itself.

There was a field conversion kit for the ridged runner frame to make it the floating type on the Cub-172. So you may encounter both types, as not all were converted.

There is a late type chain tensioner arm/bracket that accommodates fast hitch for the Cub-174A. Countershafts are pretty much the same other than that.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Apr 12, 2022 10:55 am

baldwindiesel wrote:SamsFarm: I have the Parts manual for the 172 and 174 but it doesn't detail the difference between the two . So that is why I am asking.

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You open them both up and page through looking for the differences.

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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby baldwindiesel » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:21 pm

True: But there are many Row Opener options and variations/ Hopper selections that make it time consuming to figure out what is a 172 or 174 planter. Hence I was asking to get a quick answer to my question.
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Re: 172 and 174 planter

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 14, 2022 1:31 pm

baldwindiesel wrote:True: But there are many Row Opener options and variations/ Hopper selections that make it time consuming to figure out what is a 172 or 174 planter. Hence I was asking to get a quick answer to my question.
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The quick answer:

If your planter is original, unmolested, then;

Model 172 If you have the richmond corn hopper, and a runner.

Model 174 if you have the combination hopper and a runner.


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