1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Forum rules
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Well the day came to replace tires because Pop's 1968 had to have them and mine needed them too. Got then to the tire dealer and once they got the old tires off the rims were too rusty to put new tires and tubes on. I picked them back up and spent a week cleaning and priming his, but mine are in such bad shape I'm going to have to replace the rims. If anyone has an original pair in decent shape let me know, otherwise I'll grab the aftermarket ones for $122/ea.
Meanwhile time to fix my final drives and brakes. My brakes have never worked, the drums were so full of greasy crud they wouldn't even drain. After getting them off, cleaning about a pint of gunk out and pulling the drums I found neither side had the woodruff key in. I found the keys in the gunk. One drum the keyway is broken out and the other side is almost as bad. One set screw is in decent shape, the other is broken off. So all new drums, bolts and bands it is. Haven't torn the rest down yet but here's a few pics. Also notice that one of the dowel pins was actually a really long bolt? LOL
Meanwhile time to fix my final drives and brakes. My brakes have never worked, the drums were so full of greasy crud they wouldn't even drain. After getting them off, cleaning about a pint of gunk out and pulling the drums I found neither side had the woodruff key in. I found the keys in the gunk. One drum the keyway is broken out and the other side is almost as bad. One set screw is in decent shape, the other is broken off. So all new drums, bolts and bands it is. Haven't torn the rest down yet but here's a few pics. Also notice that one of the dowel pins was actually a really long bolt? LOL
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 6004
- Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:33 pm
- Zip Code: 00000
- Tractors Owned: 1956 Farmall Cub with Fast Hitch, F-11 plow, Disc, Cultivator, Cub-22 mower
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: Wa.
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Hi,
I hope you are replacing the oil seals, while the final drive is off.
The seals look like the original style that was used on the earlier Cubs.
Remember to not hammer directly on a new oil seal, use a seal driver, or put a wood block, or clean flat metal over the seal to hammer on.
Sometimes large sockets can be used, if one fits.
I don't see how the final drive would fit on with the long bolt in it.
I would read Dale F.'s How To about brake repair, and removing a final drive, it has lots of pics.
You could put a want ad in The Vine on here for the rear rims.
I hope you are replacing the oil seals, while the final drive is off.
The seals look like the original style that was used on the earlier Cubs.
Remember to not hammer directly on a new oil seal, use a seal driver, or put a wood block, or clean flat metal over the seal to hammer on.
Sometimes large sockets can be used, if one fits.
I don't see how the final drive would fit on with the long bolt in it.
I would read Dale F.'s How To about brake repair, and removing a final drive, it has lots of pics.
You could put a want ad in The Vine on here for the rear rims.

-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 5087
- Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:08 pm
- Zip Code: 12514
- Circle of Safety: Y
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
keep in mind for new rims you need to use a carriage style bolt as the factory cub bolts do not fit the new type rims
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Yes I'm aware. But the vendor I have an eye on at $122 a rim with free shipping they look great. Either a galvanized or really nice silver finish. My bolts were rusted half through so even if I find a nice set of original rims I have to replace the center bolts
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 5087
- Joined: Tue Jan 12, 2010 2:08 pm
- Zip Code: 12514
- Circle of Safety: Y
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
careful that the grade rating on those bolts are only 2 or 3, should be at least 5, have used several of the new ones and they are good quality
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Popped the old seals out and cleaned up the retainers. Outer races are fairly pitted. The inner bearings feel smooth and tight. This is after a thorough wire brushing. Think they'll be ok?
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- Team Cub Mentor
- Posts: 5515
- Joined: Thu Aug 03, 2006 6:20 am
- Zip Code: 43358
- Tractors Owned: 48 Cub Diesel (Cubota)
53 Cockshutt 20 restored (Shooter)
52 Cockshutt 20 unrestored
47 Leader "B" (Herckie)
49 Leader "D" (Princess)
49 Leader "D" very rough
48 Leader "D" unrestored
Kubota B6200E
Kubota B6200HST
Kubota B8200HST-D - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: OH West Mansfield
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
No, they won’t be ok! Any pitting on a bearing race is unacceptable. New bearings and races are in order.
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
That's how I felt about it
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 4900
- Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:24 am
- Zip Code: 00000
- Tractors Owned: .
1970 International 140
1972 International 140
1949 John Deere A
1993 Ford 4630 W/Loader
1965 John Deere 110
1961 Cub Cadet Original - Circle of Safety: Y
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Get new oil seals for the transmission on both sides as well while you have it apart.
Every home is a school, what are you teaching?


-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Slim140 wrote:Get new oil seals for the transmission on both sides as well while you have it apart.
You mean the seals that go on the outside of the bearing retainers? Yes I ordered them
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
I have the new races on the way. Managed to get the old ones out. Amazing what you can do with a little patience, a good vise, a big old screwdriver older than your are and a maul

IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- Team Cub
- Posts: 11728
- Joined: Tue May 25, 2004 8:02 pm
- Zip Code: 80501
- Tractors Owned: Cubs, MH Pony, Shaw, Allis G, 1934 Silver King, JD LA and LI, Gibson D, David Bradley Tri-Trac
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: CO, Longmont
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
I ground down the outside of one old race so it was a loose fit in the retainer and then used it to drive the new one in.
"We don't need to think more,
we need to think differently."
-Albert Einstein
we need to think differently."
-Albert Einstein
-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Good idea. I was planning on using my vise and a wood block or some other steel scrap. I'll have to keep that in mind as a backup plan
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 6004
- Joined: Mon Mar 19, 2012 7:33 pm
- Zip Code: 00000
- Tractors Owned: 1956 Farmall Cub with Fast Hitch, F-11 plow, Disc, Cultivator, Cub-22 mower
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: Wa.
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
Hi,
I would also replace the oil seals outward of the brake drums, on the upper shafts.
They are in the final drives.
A long punch works good to remove them, hammer them the way that would be towards the transmission when they are assembled on the Cub.
Look at my post above about installing oil seals, it was last month I wrote it there.
I would also replace the oil seals outward of the brake drums, on the upper shafts.
They are in the final drives.
A long punch works good to remove them, hammer them the way that would be towards the transmission when they are assembled on the Cub.
Look at my post above about installing oil seals, it was last month I wrote it there.

-
- 5+ Years
- Posts: 260
- Joined: Mon Jul 06, 2015 9:15 pm
- Zip Code: 39120
- Location: Mississippi, USA
Re: 1949 Cub Natchez MS Updates
I ordered all the seals I could identify from the final drives, brakes and drums. Ordered the bearing caps when I saw how pitted they were. The bearings look great and feel smooth so I'm leaving them
IT Guy by day, Rockstar by night, Amateur tractor restorer on occasion 
1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"

1949 Farmall Cub #94459 - Restoration Thread
"Organized chaos is better than no chaos at all"
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 5
- 360
-
by Don McCombs
Thu Jan 14, 2021 1:15 pm
-
- 5
- 371
-
by Stanton
Wed Apr 06, 2022 9:21 am
-
- 19
- 807
-
by Glen
Mon Feb 28, 2022 7:35 pm
-
- 6
- 297
-
by Glen
Tue Apr 19, 2022 7:55 pm
-
- 12
- 459
-
by Eugene
Tue Jan 12, 2021 12:03 pm
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests