Implement weight

[Jimerjam]

My house cannot handle my massive amperage welding machine it's big and heavy and I need to move it around more and I don't want to have to deal with a trailer. So I am planning to mount the wider to the back of the tractor along with a pto generator, the welder is around 1100 pounds, I know I will have to make a Costcome mounting for it, as I am quite sure the drawbar can't handle it, I know I will have to use all 16 of the bolt holes on both sides and use more mountings near the middle, most likely with some front counterweights, I want to know how much weight the cubs frame can handle safely and for the long term

[staninlowerAL]

JMHO, You are expecting quite a lot from the 9 ponies available from the C60 engine. Controlling a consistent amperage output is going to be a challenge. Others may disagree.

[MiCarl]

9 HP = 6711 watts. 6700 watts @ 240V = 28 amps. That's assuming 100% efficiency. You'd probably be lucky to get 20 amps.

Won't run a lot of welder.

[Slim140]

The cub pto also spins backwards from other tractors, don’t forget that.

[inairam]

i would look at a nursery wagon from tractor supply for the welder as opposed to trying to put 1100 pounds on the back of a cub. Even if you could lift it ( very big if) that weight will lift the front off the ground. The tractor is only about 1700 pounds with about 300 pounds per front wheel.

I think the nursery wagons are rated at 1400 pounds. it is not a trailer so it is easier to move by hand and hook up to the cub. I have a large honda generator on one https://www.tractorsupply.com/tsc/produ ... ility-cart

you will not get the power you need from a cub. Maybe get a larger wagon for the welder with room for a large enough generator to run it. https://www.northerntool.com/shop/tools ... 7661_47661

What is the amp draw of this thing?

[SamsFarm]

I have heard of Lincoln, Miller, Hobart, and even Forney, but not massive amperage welding machine.

Does your welder have a brand name, model?

What is the recomended input requirements?

Single phase? Three phase?

Is your house hooked to a utility or are you making your own electricity?

What it the rating of your main breaker in your breaker box if your on a utility from a public utility company?

This is in the Cub forum so I assume you are talking about a Cub.

The Fast-Hitch Cub platform carrier is rated at 400# (if I remember correctly) with proper front wheel weights.

I am guessing that 1100 pounds on the rear of a Cub without some sort of training wheels would be sitting with the front wheels in the air.

A small wagon or trailer would be more appropriate.

Edit;
A 6700 watt Cub powered welder would be making 279 amps @ 24 volts.

More than enough for most of peoples welding.

1/8" stick rod burns around 125 amps!

[Jimerjam]

It's a Hobart cyber tig 300 240 volts 98 amps single phase
Training wheels are impractical due to the quality of roads in my area. Would a counterweight on the front work?
I think the machine requires an external water tank, so I wonder if I could use that as a counterweight.

[Eugene]

Have a Woodmaxx backhoe drawbar mounted on a WD Allis Chalmers. Weights 1400 lbs. Have added 450 lbs weight to the tractor's front to keep it on the ground. Still a tad light on the front end when going up a grade.

External water tank. Gallons and/or total weight?

Need a bigger tractor or a trailer. Actually a bigger tractor and a trailer if you are going to tow that much weight on roads because Cubs brakes aren't great.

3/4 ton pickup truck?

[staninlowerAL]

Adding 1100 lb welder, estimated 100 lb for a 150a pto generator, and attachment apparatus to connect it to the tractor and you have probably doubled the weight of a stock 1948 FCub. As Eugene pointed out, the brakes are not adequate to handle that kind of load. You're asking for trouble, IMHO. Here's an info manual that shows what the engineers had in mind for the Cub to handle. http://www.savethecub.com/implement_weights.pdf Stan

[inairam]

It's a Hobart cyber tig 300 240 volts 98 amps single phase
Training wheels are impractical due to the quality of roads in my area. Would a counterweight on the front work?
I think the machine requires an external water tank, so I wonder if I could use that as a counterweight.

you have a 48. the early cubs have notoriusly weak front englne mounting flange. the egine b lock is part of the frame. you are asking too much of the cub putting weight on the front and the back. even if it did not break it you probible would have a very hard time steering. think you need a farm truck


by the way 100 amps at 240 v is 24kw. that is whole house generator

[SamsFarm]

Well, now that is not as high as amperage as I was thinking. Lol

But still way more than a Cub will ever power with a pto generator.

You will need a 50 hp tractor with a 24,000 watt 240 vac generator to power that Hobart of yours running at maximum capacity!

I can see no reason why a house on utility electric can not power that.

Keep in mind it will only draw 98 amps on a 240 vac circuit if your are welding at max capicity of 300 amps output.

You just need the proper sized wire and a breaker installed in your breaker box!

I think if you are needing a portable welder, you ought to look into getting a self contained gas (or diesel) drive welder.

A lincoln GXT 250 gas drive has the ability to do stick, mig and tig if you buy the relative attachments.

[Jimerjam]

I've decided to take my own advice and listen to experts, so, that plan is out the window. Thank you for the advice. To answer your questions I can't run it on my house because I don't have a spare outlet, and 240 scares the shit out of me. Local codes require a licensed electrician to do any major additions like that, and I don't have that kind of money. As for the self contained welder generator, well they are expensive, I am getting this welder for a steal, and I dislike them for personal reasons. I was just wondering if I could run this kind of machine from an engine I ready had, I DONT want to buy a generator just for the welder. I will look at other options.

[Don McCombs]

For the amount of money that you would spend rigging the welder and generator onto the Cub, you could get an electrician to install a 240 outlet for you.

[Eugene]

For the amount of money that you would spend rigging the welder and generator onto the Cub, you could get an electrician to install a 240 outlet for you.

Ditto.

Most local codes permit property owners to do yourself install new electrical circuits -- and plumbing and carpentry, etc.. There would be a number of questions to answer before the outlet is installed; such as location, breaker panel size, number of open spaces in the panel, amp service to the property, distance and wire size for the amp service to the recepticle, etc..

It's not difficult or dangerous to install a 240 volt outlet. Just shut off the main circuit breaker at the electric panel.

Ask one of you electric inclined friends to help.

Just my thought. If the electric code absolutely forbid a do it yourself installation - I would do it any way and not inform the authorities or the electric company.

[SamsFarm]

Just my thought. If the electric code absolutely forbid a do it yourself installation - I would do it any way and not inform the authorities or the electric company.

Amen to that!

I could say a lot on this matter, but someone might take it as political, and it would probably get into religious too!

But for some unknown reason they frown upon that here!