140 vs. A rear wheel weights

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140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby M6Scout » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:08 pm

Are the rear weights interchangeable?
Is there any specific reason for the two different style front rims on the 140, solid vs spoke style

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby inairam » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:20 pm

I have used A weights on a 130 and 140.
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby M6Scout » Mon Feb 15, 2021 12:28 pm

:D :D Excellent, that answers my question, then the bolt patterns are the same.

Thank you!

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Feb 15, 2021 2:12 pm

The A and 140 rear weights are identical.

When IH came out with the 40/60 series tractors, they switched to the stamped steel disc wheels on most of the tractors. It appears to me that at the time the only stamped steel wheel available for the 140 was the standard size wheel. Any optional size required using the cast spoked wheel center with the lugged rim. The parts catalog shows some optional sizes for the stamped steel wheel so maybe they came along later in production. I'm not sure about any of this.

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby tst » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:08 pm

and some of the wheel centers for the right side on a 140 are weights also

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby inairam » Mon Feb 15, 2021 3:29 pm

tst wrote:and some of the wheel centers for the right side on a 140 are weights also


the parts catalog has different lengths for the carrage bolts on the right side because it is cast and not stamped.

For the front tires, my 130 has the two-piece wheel but my 140s have a stamped wheel like the cub. My 140 stands a little taller than the 130 due to the difference in tire sizes.
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby Ky Cub » Mon Feb 15, 2021 4:50 pm

The first 3/4 years of production of the 140 had the two piece front wheels and then the solid rim followed.

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby M6Scout » Mon Feb 15, 2021 5:37 pm

Thank You for all the answers

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby SamsFarm » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:06 pm

Rear wheel weights from a A, super A, B, BN, 100, 130 and the 140 are all the same for the 24 inch rims!

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby M6Scout » Mon Feb 15, 2021 9:09 pm

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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby Indy4570 » Wed Feb 17, 2021 2:53 pm

A rear weights will also fit on a cub. I have one that came with A weights
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby inairam » Thu Feb 18, 2021 8:42 am

Indy4570 wrote:A rear weights will also fit on a cub. I have one that came with A weights


To be clear for future readers of this post, while the weights fit a cub the A-140 weights are a different part number and are heavier and different dimensions than the cub weights. They also are speced to have 5/8 bolts not 1/2 bolts holding the weight to centers.
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby M6Scout » Thu Feb 18, 2021 10:52 am

Hello inairam,

Wow that’s great info and the bolt size difference is very good to know ahead of time.

Thanks again to everyone :D

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1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby inairam » Fri Feb 19, 2021 8:02 am

The cub centers take a 1/2 carriage bolt. The A-140 takes 5/8 carriage for the weights.

So if you put the A-140 weight on the cub you are using 1/2 bolts, which probably are ok, but the engineers at IH were more comfortable with 5/8.
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Re: 140 vs. A rear wheel weights

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Feb 19, 2021 1:33 pm

In practical terms, the Cub and 140 weights weigh the same. In fact, I just checked a reference that shows the ones for a Cub are slightly the heavier. The 140 weights just aren't a very good fit on the Cub wheel disk. The poor fit makes it more difficult to get them centered and keep them in place while mounting. The bolt circle isn't even the same, just close enough to work. Installing them requires 1/2" bolts but they have to be longer than bolts for Cub weights. If you have the right hardware and get them in place, they work OK, it is just a bit of a nuisance to try to get them mounted.


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