Farmall 140 questions/thoughts?

[customcutter]

Hello everyone, I'm still looking for a Super A or 140 and they are very few for sale in my area. I saw a Super A last week at the Florida Flywheelers meet. It was $1100, but all the tires and rims were shot. Sadly, I think replacements would have cost me more than the tractor.

I found a 140 after I stopped to ask about a Super AV in a strawberry field. All of the sheet metal, generator, radiator, etc were removed to pull the head. It was machined and re-installed. The owner says the head is leaking oil between the head and the block on the driver side. I don't know if he started it up without completely assembling it, or if it was assembled then he saw the leak and started taking it back apart? It's possible that the head wasn't torqued or tightened in the proper sequence. I've also seen a couple of YT video's and comments where people said that "thin" head gaskets leaked on them?

I'm going to tell him I'm interested in the tractor if he helps me re-assemble it and it's not gushing oil out the side of the head/block and leaking into the oil galleys. I'm thinking just a couple of hours for 2 people.

I've been trying to find a parts diagram that might show how to re-assemble the front sheet metal and accessories. Does anyone know of one? Nothing I have found shows anything.

Any thoughts on this 140? He also has a 140 parts tractor that I might be able to buy.

Thanks in advance, Ken

[tst]

140 is a little better, slightly larger engine, ,small things, and in the early 60"s they became 12 volt

[inairam]

The front sheet metal is not that hard and there is some info in the parts manual.

I would get the tractor running and tuned up before putting the nose clip on. I find it very hard to see the timing marks on the 140 with the sheet metal in place.

Also you want to see the water pump and the connections with the engine running to see if you have any leaks or need to replace anything.

I have a 130 and 2 x 140 and they all leak oil at valve cover gaskets on the driver's side. Mine at least do not have a leak at the head/ block.

[customcutter]

140 is a little better, slightly larger engine, ,small things, and in the early 60"s they became 12 volt

Thanks, I think it's 6v. I did see a generator instead of an alternator laying on the table next to the tractor. I guess it could have a 12v generator though, IDK. I would probably eventually upgrade to 12v system.

[customcutter]

The front sheet metal is not that hard and there is some info in the parts manual.

I would get the tractor running and tuned up before putting the nose clip on. I find it very hard to see the timing marks on the 140 with the sheet metal in place.

Also you want to see the water pump and the connections with the engine running to see if you have any leaks or need to replace anything.

I have a 130 and 2 x 140 and they all leak oil at valve cover gaskets on the driver's side. Mine at least do not have a leak at the head/ block.

Thanks for the info on the sheet metal and timing marks. Yes, I would want to see it at least running before buying the tractor. At least having the radiator hooked up would allow me to operate the tractor, checking gears, brakes, clutch, etc.

[inairam]

The 140 is not as well documented as the cub and A are on this site. There is a nice online parts manual at Messicks

https://www.messicks.com/commoncatalog? ... lId=140403

[customcutter]

The 140 is not as well documented as the cub and A are on this site. There is a nice online parts manual at Messicks

https://www.messicks.com/commoncatalog? ... lId=140403

Thanks for the link. I will be checking that out.

I contacted the owner, and he has been looking for the parts for the tractor. It is in a barn probably 40X60. He hasn't been able to find the radiator or the hood. I'm not sure how long it's been sitting, but was under the impression it hadn't been very long. His son also has some Farmall's so possibly he might have grabbed something, or hopefully they are still there and just buried under something. He's busy with his strawberry crop right now so time is a factor for him. I told him I would like to come look at the tractor again when possible.

I called the guy that had the Super A and 100 at the Flywheelers and the only 140 parts he has is a quick hitch attachment. He said he might know where a "parts" 140 is and was going to check on it for me.

[Jim Becker]

. . . He hasn't been able to find the radiator or the hood. . . .

. . . He said he might know where a "parts" 140 is and was going to check on it for me.

Decent radiators and hoods tend to be fairly expensive. I don't know if those parts are shared with any other models but doubt it. The 140 had two different styles of sheet metal. I don't know how well mix-n-match works between the two versions. A parts 140 may prove to be less helpful that you might expect.

[SamsFarm]

Interesting that someone removed the radiator to pull the head!

[customcutter]

. . . He hasn't been able to find the radiator or the hood. . . .

. . . He said he might know where a "parts" 140 is and was going to check on it for me.

Decent radiators and hoods tend to be fairly expensive. I don't know if those parts are shared with any other models but doubt it. The 140 had two different styles of sheet metal. I don't know how well mix-n-match works between the two versions. A parts 140 may prove to be less helpful that you might expect.

Thanks Jim, the owner hasn't given up on finding the parts. He is still hoping they are there in the barn somewhere. The parts tractor that the owner has is missing all of the sheet metal, radiator, generator. It does have the motor (which he said locked up after it was parked in the bushes), also thought it might be worth having the transmission, rear end, axles, etc., if it's cheap enough. Basically going to try and get it for the price of the rear tires and rims. The 140 for sale has one rear that is ok, but the other is dry rotted. The parts tractor has 2 good looking tires and rims with no checking or dry rot.

The man I met at the Flywheelers said he was looking at a 140 that the owner did not want to sell, but that there was a parts tractor. Thought he could get it for $100, and would contact me if he got it. Some sheet metal, and a good radiator possibly. He does a lot of wheeling and dealing with Farmalls apparently. He told them he wasn't interested in just the part tractor, but is now that he has a buyer for a radiator and sheet metal possibly. The lady who owns it just wants it out of her yard. LOL

[customcutter]

Interesting that someone removed the radiator to pull the head!

Hello Sam,

Yes, I'm not a mechanic, but there are a few things that I am curious about.

Why was the head removed to begin with? He says that it is leaking oil between the head and block now after the head was re-installed? Why would you start the tractor before finishing the installation of the radiator? I was watching a YT video on "Just a few acres" YT channel. He had a Farmall (MN or maybe MD, gas start and switch to diesel) with a complete restoration that he did. He put about 20 hours on it and it dropped a valve. One of the valve springs busted. Luckily his dad shut it down quickly and only minor damage. When he pulled the head every cylinder had blown the compression seal around the piston and one was leaking coolant back into a different cylinder than the one that dropped a valve. Come to find out that the head gasket should have been installed "dry" and he used Copper Seal IIRC.

The owner of the 140 is an older Hispanic gentleman. He speaks good English, but there is still a little bit of a language barrier. I didn't want to press to hard with questions, but I am going to have to ask them eventually. I was hoping to build a little bit of a relationship first. I called around lunch time, and he was busy. Said that he would look for the radiator/hood again and call me back. I hope he finds them!

thanks, Ken

[customcutter]

I found this video of Pete starting a tear down and restoration on his Super C with a 123 engine. I think it will be a great help in re-assembling the radiator, etc. on the front of the 140.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eGmuWctwECE

[Jim Becker]

Keep in mind that the water pump, thermostat, and fan belt are very different between the Super C and the 140. The front sheet metal is also a lot different.

[ShawnAgne]

Its not a 140 but the older cousin, I love my 100. If I had to only chose one of my tractors I'd probably chose the 100 of the three. But I'm glad I don't have to. Now just to convince the wife I need a 200......

[customcutter]

Keep in mind that the water pump, thermostat, and fan belt are very different between the Super C and the 140. The front sheet metal is also a lot different.

Thanks Jim,

Another wrong assumption on my part. Thinking the 123 engine was the same, I was hoping that it would be a similar mounting system for the radiator, water pump, etc. Yes, I do know that the sheet metal is drastically different between the Super C and the 140.