Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

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Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Sat May 06, 2023 8:13 pm

Does anyone know what the make and model this mower is? I got it with a 140 I purchased a few years ago. The PO painted it and there is not tag I can find. There were some problems with it and I just got around to getting it ready to use.

I am curious if that clutch is ok and would like to try to find a manual.
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When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

inairam
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Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Sun May 07, 2023 7:24 pm

I recall there is a Rotary mower or cutter manual that was a large pdf with all of the IH mowers in it. Am I miss remembering that?
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby SamsFarm » Sun May 07, 2023 7:31 pm

I dont know what brand is, but wondering why you are worriedif the slip clutch is ok?

Maybe post side pics of the gear box.

Seems to me if you hook it up to mow, you'll find out if it slips or not!

Sometimes slip clutch instructions will have you loosen tension and slip it some.

Sometimes they have a tendency to be stuck together from sitting a long time!

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1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
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130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Mon May 08, 2023 6:04 am

Sam, I have run it several times. It seems to start out ok and cuts well and starts slipping after some time maybe 20 -30 minutes.

I have it set high 8-10" and the front is lower than the back.

I just have not seen this type of clutch before
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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby SamsFarm » Mon May 08, 2023 9:03 am

I wonder if that big nut is what adjust the amount of tightness.

I can not see any springs there.

Makes me wonder if the thermal coefficient of expansion is making your gearbox shaft longer, giving less tension on the friction plate.

Can you see some sort of fiber friction disc between the metal plates?

Is the nut supposed to be locked in place with a cotter pin?

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1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Mon May 08, 2023 9:17 am

I have not messed with that nut yet. it does look as if it was moved. there is a metal plate and two fiber discs. The metal plate is a hex and the heavy steel C shaped piece catches it solid one way but not the other.

Right no springs - that is what is throwing me off.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby SamsFarm » Mon May 08, 2023 9:31 am

Sounds like a clutch tear-down is in order

inairam
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Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Glen Mills PA

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Mon May 08, 2023 10:07 am

Why I an to identify it and find a manual
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

inairam
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Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Glen Mills PA

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Mon May 08, 2023 11:08 am

well, I am ashamed. It is a JD - John Deere 105 Cutter Rotary Gyramor
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Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby Bob McCarty » Mon May 08, 2023 12:02 pm

The ID would have been easier if it was still green....
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inairam
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Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:24 am
Zip Code: 19342
Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Glen Mills PA

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Mon May 08, 2023 2:49 pm

I found a manual with a troubleshooting guild for the clutch. I have a a guide now as to what to try. Mostly it is tightening the nut till the slipping just stops.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

inairam
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Posts: 2867
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:24 am
Zip Code: 19342
Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Glen Mills PA

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Tue May 09, 2023 6:12 am

FYI - This clutch is called a "Gyramor" slip clutch. A lot of info online once you know that.
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!

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F38 Disk
L-F3 Spring Tooth Harrow
CS Bell No. 60 Grain Mill on a unmodified Fast Hitch Disk hitch prong
Home Made Fast Hitch Potato Plow
54A Blade

Couple 1948 Cubs
172 Runner Planter
53 Fertilizer
Cub-3 Field Cultivator
Cub-189 Two Way Plow
Cub-22 Sickle Bar Mower
Mechanical Transplanter with side mount barrel (needs a fast hitch adapter) :)

Misc Belly Mowers

Wish List
International 100 Fast Hitch Blade
Mott Fast Hitch Flail Mower

Wish Wish Wish List
Fast Hitch Rotary Hoe
4E hammer mill
Location: Ne Ohio

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby SamsFarm » Tue May 09, 2023 7:52 am

Why be ashamed? Deere has made a lot of wonderful products!

Now that you know, once you get it fixed up, you can paint it proper green again! :)

inairam
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Posts: 2867
Joined: Wed Jul 08, 2015 10:24 am
Zip Code: 19342
Tractors Owned: 1948 6v - Dozer
1949 with kub klipper belly mower. mag 6v - Mom
1950 with plow, 54 blade, mott mag 6v - Roxanne
1953 54 blade, c22, wood 42 6v
1957 6v - barn Queen
1965 lo-boy with c-3 mower 12 v - Loboy
1974 Horse II 12 v c-2
1975 with woods 42-6 12 v - Horse
1979 long strip 12 v stuck engine
130 with international 1000 loader 6 v
1969 140 with bush hog tow behind mower 12 v
Terramite T-6 4WD Backhoe Perkins diesel
Memberships: Rough and Tumble Engineers Historical Association;Chapter 8 IH Collectors; IH Collectors Worldwide
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Glen Mills PA

Re: Help identifing a PTO driven bush hog style mower

Postby inairam » Tue May 09, 2023 8:55 am

It is staying RED!!!
When you only have 9 horsepower you need to know the names of all of the ponies!


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