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Farmall C, Super C Tractors, 200 & 230 1948-1958
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C super c and 200

Postby Magnum » Tue Nov 29, 2022 8:54 pm

What is the difference in these 3 models ? I found a 200 locally for a good price . Never gave much thought to the numbered farmall tractors but I may rethink this . Is the 200 the same as rhe super c ?

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Super A » Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:03 pm

200 is just an updated Super C. The biggest difference was sheet metal. There were probably some internal changes as well, but they're very similar.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Nov 29, 2022 9:24 pm

I can't think of any noteworthy changes from the Super C to the 200 either. Changes from the C to Super C were more noteworthy. The engine was given more power, mainly with a 1/8 inch increase in bore, 113 ci to 123 ci. The cooling system was upgraded with a taller radiator and standard water pump. Band brakes were changed to disc. Larger steering wheel. The Fast-Hitch was introduced late in Super C production, the first tractor with Fast-Hitch.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Magnum » Wed Nov 30, 2022 5:30 pm

Well I'll make an offer , it will add to the collection

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby SamsFarm » Sat Dec 03, 2022 1:16 pm

There is even a 230 that came after the 200!
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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Jim Becker » Sat Dec 03, 2022 2:23 pm

The 230 had some noteworthy changes from the 200. It had a completely different hydraulic system and a vastly different Fast-Hitch. The 240 and 404 were each quite different as well.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby ajhbike » Sun Dec 04, 2022 4:06 am

Yes Jim, I just looked at a 230 yesterday and it did have a very different looking TC and FH ...and this one didn't have the front rockshafts. Maybe it is me and optics but with the same 36" tires a 200 and a 230 seem "smaller" in height and overall size

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Super A » Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:41 am

ajhbike wrote:Yes Jim, I just looked at a 230 yesterday and it did have a very different looking TC and FH ...and this one didn't have the front rockshafts. Maybe it is me and optics but with the same 36" tires a 200 and a 230 seem "smaller" in height and overall size


They're the same physical size. The front rockshaft on a 230 is a separate assembly specific to the cultivators, mounted corn picker, etc. that uses a hydraulic cylinder to raise & lower the attachment.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Dec 04, 2022 12:09 pm

Super A wrote:
ajhbike wrote:Yes Jim, I just looked at a 230 yesterday and it did have a very different looking TC and FH ...and this one didn't have the front rockshafts. Maybe it is me and optics but with the same 36" tires a 200 and a 230 seem "smaller" in height and overall size


They're the same physical size. The front rockshaft on a 230 is a separate assembly specific to the cultivators, mounted corn picker, etc. that uses a hydraulic cylinder to raise & lower the attachment.

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Yes. The 230 typically had what was called a "Hydra-Touch" hydraulic system. It was more like the systems on the bigger tractors. It had the control functions of a Touch-Control but no rockshafts or cylinders. It was available as either a one-valve or two-valve system.

The earlier Super C/200 Fast-Hitch used both Touch-Control rockshafts to control tilt and depth control. The 230 had one of the early Traction-Control hitches. It only used one hydraulic circuit for raise/lower. The other adjustments were mechanical.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby ajhbike » Sun Dec 04, 2022 6:13 pm

So you don't get the side to side tilt and the front to back tilt...only up and down? Bummer.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Magnum » Sun Dec 04, 2022 9:16 pm

Well there is a 230 as well , I hear those are rare . Is this true ?

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Jim Becker » Sun Dec 04, 2022 11:22 pm

I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby ajhbike » Mon Dec 05, 2022 4:45 am

Love hearing the snippets of history thanks

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Super A » Mon Dec 05, 2022 7:44 am

Jim Becker wrote:I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.


I suspect it's a regional thing too. You'll run across a 200 or a 230 now and then here (eastern NC.) On the other hand, I'd never seen a Farmall 404 until I got interested in old tractors, but the International version of the 404 was fairly common in my area. During that time frame, were still a lot of two-row farms here.

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Re: C super c and 200

Postby Magnum » Tue Dec 06, 2022 5:21 pm

Jim Becker wrote:I guess that depends on what you call rare. By the time these models came along, demand for small tractors like this was going away. Each Farmall of the series (200, 230, 240, 404) had fewer than the one before. There were a little over 7,000 of the 230. If it hadn't been for the more popular Utility versions of the later models, the Farmalls may have never been built.



Well I guess that makes sense , i never put much thought into the numbers of units being built as time goes on . Maybe it seems rare here because green appears to be very popular .


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