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Clutch brake

Postby john2189 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 8:47 pm

Why does the 154 need it? F Cubs doesn’t have them. Anyway the bolt/linkage on mine is missing and I need to replace it. John
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Re: Clutch brake

Postby BigBill » Mon Nov 11, 2019 9:10 pm

With no flywheel puck brake the gears stay spinning in the tranny when going from natural to any gear they grind. With no flywheel brake you need to shut off the engine so the tranny doesn’t grind when changing gears.
I'm technically misunderstood at times i guess its been this way my whole life so why should it change now.

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Re: Clutch brake

Postby john2189 » Mon Nov 11, 2019 11:22 pm

Ok but why doesn’t the f cub need the brake? Isn’t it the same trans?
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Re: Clutch brake

Postby MiCarl » Tue Nov 12, 2019 7:19 am

john2189 wrote:Ok but why doesn’t the f cub need the brake? Isn’t it the same trans?


The F cub does tend to grind when going from neutral into gear.

International did tend to make improvements from time to time. I believe the 154 was primarily intended as a mowing tractor. Perhaps IH thought the clutch brake would be desirable in a machine that would be shifted more frequently.
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Re: Clutch brake

Postby john2189 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:04 am

MiCarl wrote:
john2189 wrote:Ok but why doesn’t the f cub need the brake? Isn’t it the same trans?


The F cub does tend to grind when going from neutral into gear.

International did tend to make improvements from time to time. I believe the 154 was primarily intended as a mowing tractor. Perhaps IH thought the clutch brake would be desirable in a machine that would be shifted more frequently.



Ok makes sense. My f cub only grinds if Im in neutral and go into gear while the mower/pto is running and I don’t let the mower stop.
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Re: Clutch brake

Postby Gary Dotson » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:13 am

The F-Cub doesn't have a flywheel spinning on the trans. input shaft, only the input shaft and clutch disc. The clutch brake is needed to slow the flywheel and clutch assy. down so the trans. can be shifted.

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Re: Clutch brake

Postby john2189 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 8:44 am

Gary Dotson wrote:The F-Cub doesn't have a flywheel spinning on the trans. input shaft, only the input shaft and clutch disc. The clutch brake is needed to slow the flywheel and clutch assy. down so the trans. can be shifted.


Ok so the spinning flywheel on the trans would be the same as the pto on the cub slowing down to get it in get gear
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Re: Clutch brake

Postby Gary Dotson » Tue Nov 12, 2019 9:12 am

Yes, heavy spinning components carry a lot of momentum.

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Re: Clutch brake

Postby john2189 » Tue Nov 12, 2019 11:43 am

Thanks I’ll have to get the bolt Assy. It is missing
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