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154 Engine overhaul

Postby cadencewildbeast » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:38 pm

Afternoon all. I figured I would start a new thread since I guess my issues are no longer a stuck governor. Everything is still out at the machine shop, so I have been cleaning on the rest of the parts out in the garage, and I have a question about my oil pan. Here are a few pics of the condition of it. I am wondering what is hitting it causing those dents?? It sure looks like it is happening over time by something hitting it??
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Next question should I try to pound them out and make it flat as possible again???

Thanks all!!

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby indy61 » Mon Mar 15, 2021 12:57 pm

I have no idea the history of this tractor, perhaps someone was jacking it up and damaged the oil pan.
I would put a wanted ad up for a good used one. I think the Farmall Cubs all used the same pan.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Bob McCarty » Mon Mar 15, 2021 1:29 pm

indy61 wrote: I think the Farmall Cubs all used the same pan.

The later ones had the reinforcing strips around the outside to prevent bending the lip if you overtightened the bolts. Either will fit though.
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby SamsFarm » Mon Mar 15, 2021 2:54 pm

It have a belly mower under it at some time?

Looks like whatever is hitting it is / was also spinning!

Pound it out if you like, but check for leaks. Might need some braizing if there is a leak!
(That is if you dont want to buy another!)

There might be a chance that driving over something pushed the deck higher than desired!
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Eugene » Mon Mar 15, 2021 4:25 pm

Work tractor? Pound it out, test for leaks.
I have an excuse. CRS.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Mar 15, 2021 7:44 pm

That material has been stretched a lot. It will not pound out without a lot of effort, including heating/shrinking that part of the sheet metal. If it doesn't leak or cause some other problem and you don't want to buy a replacement, you might want to just reuse it as-is.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby outdoors4evr » Tue Mar 16, 2021 6:13 am

Looks like a mower deck pulley was pushed into the oil pan. Perhaps the PO ran over a tall mole hill that lifted the deck.
There is supposed to be a pipe on a bracket that keeps a mower deck from hitting the oil pan.

Sorry I don't have a 154 pic, but zoom into this 184 pic between the wheels. See the pipe facing downward? It doesn't connect to the mower deck. This is to prevent the mower deck from hitting the oil pan.
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby tucker86 » Tue Mar 16, 2021 7:32 am

outdoors4evr wrote:Looks like a mower deck pulley was pushed into the oil pan. Perhaps the PO ran over a tall mole hill that lifted the deck.
There is supposed to be a pipe on a bracket that keeps a mower deck from hitting the oil pan.

The Woods mower decks did not come with the pipe stop shown in the picture of the 184. My grandfather had a 154 with the 3260 mower which did come with the pipe stop. He fabricated a second one for the left side as well after one of my uncles ran the grease fitting from the center spindle into the bottom of the oil pan when the mower was running. The oil pan never leaked and he later sold the tractor with the dented oil pan.
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby cadencewildbeast » Tue Mar 16, 2021 8:04 am

Thanks for the thoughts guys. I bought it with a 3260 under it, so that is all I know that it has. I never would have thought that the mover deck would come up high enough to cause that. I thought maybe it was a loose or damaged searing linkage. Ill take a look and see if my mower brackets have anything limiting the up travel and if not seeing about fabricating something to limit the travel.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby SONNY » Wed Mar 17, 2021 5:08 pm

It dont take much runnin in hi gear to flip the deck up into the pan ----thats another reason mine never gets out of low gear in the creeper drive.
as far as pounding out the dents ?---DONT!! lol you will weaken the pan and it could crack later on and run the oil out when you are not looking! --- your motor---your choice!
I put a new pan on one for a customer---NOT gonna stand behind a half azzed repair!

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby cadencewildbeast » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:20 pm

So got my engine block back from machine shop today ( pics to come) but it not brings up an issue I hadden’t though about yet for some reason. Dreaded PAINT. I was thinking of getting some quarts of Iron guard federal yellow and spraying everything that has came off for the engine refresh. My issue is I am completely new to mixing paint and using a spray gun. I know that all the components used to mix the pain mush match and that is where I am struggling. I have searched the forum here and google for what hardner, and reducer to use if I am gong to use the Iron gard by CNH. I am only finding older threads that have produces recommended that seem to be fazed out or ungodly expensive. Can someone please shed the light on this topic for me in ways that a beginner can understand? Thanks.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Bob McCarty » Fri Mar 19, 2021 7:28 pm

I can't comment on the brands, but if you are going to use a hardener, you need a supplied air system or you risk lung damage.
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Mar 19, 2021 11:15 pm

I'll take what Bob said one more small step. As a novice painter, don't even consider using a hardener. Not only is is a respiratory risk, it can kill you just through skin contact.
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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby Gary Dotson » Sat Mar 20, 2021 7:27 am

I agree with Bob and Jim! So, now all you need is the paint and reducer, you can get both from your CIH dealer.

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Re: 154 Engine overhaul

Postby cadencewildbeast » Sat Mar 20, 2021 10:37 am

I appreciate everyone worry, but I have painted a tractor before without using a hardner and didn’t like the results. Seams like the paint flakes off too easy. That is what this time I would like to use the hardner. I am aware that some after precautions need to be taken when painting. I was wanting to be able to purchase all this material online so that is why I am asking what products I need to make this happen. I am not finding anything but the pain and no idea of what brand to get for the others


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