John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

All non-Cub/Cadet/IH/Farmall/Case tractor and machinery discussions.

Moderator: Team Cub

Forum rules
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
User avatar
MikeEyre74
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 225
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:44 am
Zip Code: 06063
Tractors Owned: Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948
Wheel Horse 312-8, 1987

John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MikeEyre74 » Wed Nov 06, 2019 7:38 pm

So this is weird, writing about JD's.. for me at least! :D

I have a friend of mine that wants to gift me a rather nice JD Model A, 1946 Vintage... he invited me down to try it out, drive it around and see what it was all about, but when I go there, it wouldn't turn over. Its been sitting for years after a full restoration, and after digging into it, and pulling the flywheel cover off, it drained out about a gallon or more of water. All of this water gathered in the cover and into the starter and totally rusted the thing out. I can understand the starter not working then, but shouldn't the flywheel turn by hand? Well, it wouldn't. I don't know a thing about these to start to know what to do next.. and didn't much have any interested until he said "want to come back and just take it home? It's a gift.. I have no time for this anymore", so now I'm sorta curious. I don't really need a two ton lawn ornament, but.. for the price of gas, I'm tempted. Any ideas?
Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948

Eugene
Team Cub Mentor
Team Cub Mentor
Posts: 19090
Joined: Fri Jul 02, 2004 9:52 pm
Zip Code: 65051
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Mo. Linn

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby Eugene » Wed Nov 06, 2019 8:35 pm

https://www.tractorhouse.com/listings/f ... hn-deere-a

Free is always good. Early John Deeres' sell very well at auction, even the nonrunning ones.
I have an excuse. CRS.

User avatar
MiCarl
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 530
Joined: Sat Dec 16, 2017 8:28 am
Zip Code: 48154
Tractors Owned: 1944 Farmall H
1948 Farmall Cub
1994 Speedex 1631
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Livonia, MI

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MiCarl » Wed Nov 06, 2019 9:47 pm

Earlier this year I began volunteering at an educational farm. They have a B that had been sitting for several years they asked me to try and put back into service. The flywheel on that one wouldn't turn either. After several weeks sitting with penetrating oil in the cylinders we broke it loose by putting a pair of bolts into the flywheel and using a piece of pipe to turn it.

Those horizontal twin engines have a long stroke and generate a lot of torque at low RPM. That long stroke will make it hard to turn if the pistons are stuck at all.

In the case of the B one cylinder had very low compression before I got it running. I haven't re-checked compression since it's spent some time running but based on the amount of oil it burns it's still probably an issue.

They are neat tractors though and free is free. Worst case you can probably sell parts to cover the cost of picking it up.
1944 Farmall H
1948 Farmall Cub
1994 Speedex 1631

Rodney51Cub
10+ Years
10+ Years
Posts: 420
Joined: Fri Feb 11, 2011 6:06 pm
Zip Code: 62995
Tractors Owned: 1951 Farmall Cub
1950 John Deere A
1950 Case VAI
1944 Farmall H
1943 Farmall H
1940 Farmall H
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Southern Illinois

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby Rodney51Cub » Wed Nov 06, 2019 10:05 pm

Pull the spark plugs and look in the cylinders for rust. With that much water in the starter, wonder how much got in other areas. I rebuilt a 1950 John Deere A that was a several year project. It was stuck among other things. If you have the time they are an interesting project.

Rodney 8)

User avatar
MikeEyre74
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 225
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:44 am
Zip Code: 06063
Tractors Owned: Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948
Wheel Horse 312-8, 1987

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MikeEyre74 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:12 am

So it sounds like any other old iron project. It’ll probably fire up with a little tinkering. I’m a little worried about the size of the pieces involved but I guess I could break out the cherry picker and extra floor jack again... ok, I’ll keep ya posted!
Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948

User avatar
Stanton
Team Cub
Team Cub
Posts: 6881
Joined: Mon Jun 22, 2009 6:56 am
Zip Code: 64070
Tractors Owned: 1942 Farmall AV, serial #87025
1947 Farmall Circle Cub, serial #2116
1948 Farmall Cub, serial #46066
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: Lone Jack, MO

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby Stanton » Thu Nov 07, 2019 7:32 am

MikeEyre74 wrote:So it sounds like any other old iron project. It’ll probably fire up with a little tinkering. I’m a little worried about the size of the pieces involved but I guess I could break out the cherry picker and extra floor jack again... ok, I’ll keep ya posted!


Even if you haul it home and absolutely cannot get it started, it's worth more than "free" to any local JD collector. Worse case, after fiddling with it to no avail, donate it to a local FFA group as a project. They'll fix it up, show it in a fair, then sell it to raise money for their group.
Stanton
Image Circle of Safety

User avatar
2cubs
5+ Years
5+ Years
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:02 pm
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: Family owned: Over 30 antique tractors and 30 garden/lawn tractors
Location: NW Washington

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby 2cubs » Thu Nov 07, 2019 3:33 pm

By your description of the starter and cover it sounds like this tractor is later than 1946. The 1946 JD A would have the starter located up on top of the crankcase with a narrow guard around the flywheel ring gear.(first 2 pics) The '46 will also have a angle Iron frame. By the way you describe it, It sounds more like the "late styled" A which began production in 1947 at serial number 584000. and had the full flywheel cover, starter mounted underneath the crankcase, and a stamped steel frame.(last pic)

100_9104 (Medium).JPG
100_9092 (Medium).JPG
100_8207 (Medium).JPG

User avatar
MikeEyre74
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 225
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:44 am
Zip Code: 06063
Tractors Owned: Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948
Wheel Horse 312-8, 1987

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MikeEyre74 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:07 pm

I was doing some reading and actually just stumbled across some information very much like you just mentioned. The tractor certainly is not in 1946, by the description you gave. It definitely has a fully enclosed fly wheel with the starter on the bottom, like in your last picture. it also has the bench seat with the battery underneath, which isn’t nearly as cool as the big pan spring seat of the earlier models. rats! The one part that is mystifying is the shifter. All of the early 1950 model A machines have a shifter that does not look like the one that is on this tractor. This has a Hi/low range lever, off to the side, but it does not have independent gates on two sides of the main shift lever like some of the other machines I have seen in pictures. I am still trying to figure out how the transmissions differ between John Deere machinery… Unless I am confused, there are several six speed transmissions available?
Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948

User avatar
Shane N.
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 4680
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:24 am
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: .
1970 International 140 (Norman)
1972 International 140 (Keeferdoodle)
1949 John Deere A
1993 Ford 4630 W/Loader
1965 John Deere 110
1961 Cub Cadet Original

Sold Cubs..
1947 Cub #1447 (Arnold)
1949 Cub (Walt)
1950 Cub (piece of junk)
1952 Cub
1975 IH Cub
1974 IH Lo-Boy
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: N.C.

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby Shane N. » Thu Nov 07, 2019 4:31 pm

This is a picture of our A, it’s a 1949. Has high/low. The later ones did not have high/low but had a full 6 speed with a different cast piece around the gear stick, like the John Deere model 60 which was the A’s replacement.

If your wondering what the black is beside the high/low stick, it’s a hydraulic line. This one has a pump behind the magneto to give it live lift.
Attachments
A34E074D-0BE1-4DED-A9D9-5D9F9AEF5F3F.jpeg
Every home is a school, what are you teaching?

Circle of Safety

User avatar
2cubs
5+ Years
5+ Years
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:02 pm
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: Family owned: Over 30 antique tractors and 30 garden/lawn tractors
Location: NW Washington

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby 2cubs » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:31 pm

Looks like the shifter change to the late type(pictured) was made at serial #648000 according to the parts book which would be early 1950 model.

100_8196 (Medium).JPG
100_8196 (Medium).JPG

User avatar
Shane N.
501 Club
501 Club
Posts: 4680
Joined: Wed Nov 22, 2017 6:24 am
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: .
1970 International 140 (Norman)
1972 International 140 (Keeferdoodle)
1949 John Deere A
1993 Ford 4630 W/Loader
1965 John Deere 110
1961 Cub Cadet Original

Sold Cubs..
1947 Cub #1447 (Arnold)
1949 Cub (Walt)
1950 Cub (piece of junk)
1952 Cub
1975 IH Cub
1974 IH Lo-Boy
Circle of Safety: Y
Location: N.C.

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby Shane N. » Thu Nov 07, 2019 5:42 pm

2cubs wrote:Looks like the shifter change to the late type(pictured) was made at serial #648000 according to the parts book which would be early 1950 model.

100_8196 (Medium).JPG100_8196 (Medium).JPG

Makes sense, ours is 637xxx
Every home is a school, what are you teaching?

Circle of Safety

User avatar
MikeEyre74
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 225
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:44 am
Zip Code: 06063
Tractors Owned: Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948
Wheel Horse 312-8, 1987

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MikeEyre74 » Thu Nov 07, 2019 9:19 pm

Yes, the one on this machine looks like the one that Shane posted a picture of in his 1949 model. So that narrows this one down to somewhere between 1947 and 1949 I guess?

The gearshift is curious, with the automatic bump of the Hi/low shifter when you select reverse. I don’t recall which one it was, but if it’s in hi or low, and you try to put it in reverse, it automatically shifts it into ONE of those selections, and one of those ONLY. Essentially, you only have one reverse speed instead of two reverse speeds. Wonder why they would do that?
Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948

User avatar
2cubs
5+ Years
5+ Years
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:02 pm
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: Family owned: Over 30 antique tractors and 30 garden/lawn tractors
Location: NW Washington

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby 2cubs » Thu Nov 07, 2019 10:12 pm

MikeEyre74 wrote:Yes, the one on this machine looks like the one that Shane posted a picture of in his 1949 model. So that narrows this one down to somewhere between 1947 and 1949 I guess?

The gearshift is curious, with the automatic bump of the Hi/low shifter when you select reverse. I don’t recall which one it was, but if it’s in hi or low, and you try to put it in reverse, it automatically shifts it into ONE of those selections, and one of those ONLY. Essentially, you only have one reverse speed instead of two reverse speeds. Wonder why they would do that?


Yep, when you shift to reverse they automatically go into low range. The reason is a lot of these old JD's have a very fast reverse in them and that is in low range. If you had a high range reverse they would be down right dangerous. Our 1945 JD B has a really fast reverse and I always idle it way down before backing up.

User avatar
MikeEyre74
Cub Star!
Cub Star!
Posts: 225
Joined: Wed Apr 03, 2019 5:44 am
Zip Code: 06063
Tractors Owned: Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948
Wheel Horse 312-8, 1987

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby MikeEyre74 » Fri Nov 08, 2019 7:18 am

Do you have any insight on the transmissions for these things? Just as in a cage occasional thing I’m trying to figure out the difference between the transmission on this machine with the high low range versus the transmission that has a straight six speed gear set in it versus whatever else might be out there. But it’s hard to get a good search results if you don’t know what you’re searching for?
Standard F-Cub, 1949
John Deere Model A, 1948

User avatar
2cubs
5+ Years
5+ Years
Posts: 306
Joined: Tue Dec 30, 2014 9:02 pm
Zip Code: 00000
Tractors Owned: Family owned: Over 30 antique tractors and 30 garden/lawn tractors
Location: NW Washington

Re: John Deere Model A.. stuck, rusted starter, etc.

Postby 2cubs » Fri Nov 08, 2019 12:15 pm

MikeEyre74 wrote:Do you have any insight on the transmissions for these things? Just as in a cage occasional thing I’m trying to figure out the difference between the transmission on this machine with the high low range versus the transmission that has a straight six speed gear set in it versus whatever else might be out there. But it’s hard to get a good search results if you don’t know what you’re searching for?


Probably the best thing is to get a parts book. It will tell you the serial number range that each part was used on and also show any changes made along the way.


  • Similar Topics
    Replies
    Views
    Last post

Return to “Other Tractors and Machinery”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 1 guest