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Vermeer 1600

Postby SONNY » Sun Dec 13, 2020 6:24 pm

Ran into another chipper for a reasonable price so I got it. was needing one again and they are very expensive when you find one for sale that runs. --- Thought we were done with the little one we had a few years ago and sold it.---NOW we needed one again. This one is a 16" model ---the little one we did have was only a 12"---did fine for us but had to cut trees smaller to feed in it.
Gas engine--- "leaning tower of power" Chrysler slant 6. --- starts easy so far and runs decent. Old machine but I am old too so we will get along just fine! lol!

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Nelson 634 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 12:10 am

Had a slant 6 in a1967 Plymouth Valiant when I was in my twenties. That car just ran and ran. Points virtually gone still ran. No misses. Spark plug hook burnt off straight. No misses. Great little engine. Although mine leaned towards the other side. Wow, brings back memories. Good luck with your new Acquisition.
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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Jim Becker » Mon Dec 14, 2020 1:06 am

Nelson 634 wrote:. . . Although mine leaned towards the other side. . . .

The Chrysler products from the 1960s were pretty bad for rusting out weren't they?

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby SONNY » Mon Dec 14, 2020 11:10 am

This is the first leaner I ever saw---- heard bout them. Did they make 2 versions of them?--lean left and lean right??? Interesting for sure.
I have a Chrysler 6 industrial (standard flathead) on my homemade excavator that came off an Oliver 525 combine. --- never had slant jobbers before.
The products from the 60's did have rust out problems kinda bad as I remember! We always ran gm's in the 60's. ---- in 70's got demoted to Fords! lol!

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Nelson 634 » Mon Dec 14, 2020 7:51 pm

Jim, that little Valiant didn't give me any trouble rust wise. It was a 1967 looked like a square box. I bought it second hand sight unseen. Wish I still had it. Got rid of it due to rear brakes I didn't want to fix. Twenty four years old didn't know anything and I've been trying to catch up ever since.

Sonny, Facing the engine it leaned to the Left or the passenger side, spark plugs and carburetor on the right. Great gas mileage.
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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Dec 15, 2020 12:02 am

Nelson 634 wrote:. . . Sonny, Facing the engine it leaned to the Left or the passenger side, spark plugs and carburetor on the right. Great gas mileage.

That is the way they all leaned. The one in Sonny's picture has the flywheel to the left and it is leaning towards the camera.

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby SONNY » Tue Dec 15, 2020 10:13 am

Ya,--the spark plugs would be on the underside ---so to speak. Manifold on top of engine.
backside pic of engine.
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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Nelson 634 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 2:31 am

It was forty some years ago. Guess I didn't remember right. I checked other sources and Jim is correct. I thought the plugs and carb where on the right , plugs are on left as Sonny stated. " I did like the car." I'm not wrong about that. I think. Thanks for the memories though.
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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Gary Dotson » Wed Dec 16, 2020 8:29 am

Those old slant 6's were tough old goats! I worked at 2 different Chrysler dealers and I never saw beyond the valve train of them. I only saw the rocker arms cause they had solid lifters, that required routine adjustment. In the 70's my father in law had a Massey Harris combine powered by one. It ran great!

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby dgrapes59 » Wed Dec 16, 2020 9:37 am

Gary Dotson wrote:Those old slant 6's were tough old goats! I worked at 2 different Chrysler dealers and I never saw beyond the valve train of them. I only saw the rocker arms cause they had solid lifters, that required routine adjustment. In the 70's my father in law had a Massey Harris combine powered by one. It ran great!


https://www.drivingline.com/articles/it ... e-engines/

My brother in law sent me the above article, mentioning that he had vehicles with all three engines.

So Sonny, looks like your power plant should be able to handle all the chipping you can put thru it!

Good luck,
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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Dec 16, 2020 1:27 pm

That article starts out with the question "What is it about the straight-six engine design that makes it almost completely bulletproof?" but doesn't really attempt an answer. Evidently he doesn't have one and chose not to try. I think the answer is obvious. The ownes never messed with them, just ran them. Owners that were inclined to modify and abuse started with V-8s.

My first-hand experience with the slant-6 was mostly limited to a 225 that was in a '76 Volare my wife had. Mechanically, it was a solid engine. The car went 108K miles until it was obliterated while sitting at a red light. Nothing mechanical had ever been done to the engine. It used a bit of oil, which was probably valve seals. Everything around it was pretty bad. I think Rube Goldberg had been in charge of carburetion. The dealers never could make it perform from a cold start. The choke was controlled by a bimetallic spring, the spring was enclosed in a piece of sheet metal with a heating coil. The wire to the heating coil had an in-line thermostatic switch that controlled whether the heater ran or not. The car had a rather nasty behavior. If you started from home with a cold engine, ran to the stop sign where the the residential street met the big street, stopped briefly for a break in traffic, then pulled out, the car would go 30 or 40 feet then stall in the middle of the intersection in front of oncoming traffic. This was mostly a cool weather problem. After giving the dealers multiple tries at fixing it, I finally studied all the pieces until I found a get-around. I decided it needed a little more choke and unplugged the wire to the heater. This solved the stalling problem. Unfortunately in spring the gas mileage went seriously bad. I plugged the wire back in. The following fall it started stalling again so I unplugged again. It became a twice a year ritual. Once I returned to the dealer for who knows what that time. The service writer noticed the unplugged wire and said something about it needing to be reconnected. As I recall, I gave him a rather detailed and borderline irate explanation that unless they had learned something since the earlier visits, it better still be unplugged when I got the car back.

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Gary Dotson » Thu Dec 17, 2020 9:39 am

In the late 70's, manufacturers were trying to meet EPA standards any way they could, mostly lean fuel mixture and retarded timing. It seemed that the slant six, being a small displacement engine, displayed more of the negative symptoms than larger engines that could mask them. We had to cheat a little with richer carb. jetting and bumping the timing to get them to run acceptably well. It wasn't right but it worked. Your wife's Volare had that electric choke assist to get the choke open earlier. "Too early!" for your cold conditions. The slant six wasn't around to see EFI, that could have given it a new life, but packaging issues led to it's demise.

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Jim Becker » Thu Dec 17, 2020 11:30 am

The whole car was frustrating to deal with. As I recall the details at the time, Chrysler was struggling to cut costs to avoid the bankruptcy that finally came along in 1979. My theory was that they laid off all the engineers when the car was about 90 or 95% designed. Then they shoved what they had into production. There was a steady stream of repair campaigns and a few recalls. The dealers quit telling me when they applied the campaigns. I suppose it was too embarrassing to have to explain another one each time the car came in. I finally developed a practice, every time they brought the car out after service, I would reach in and shut it off, open the hood, and start looking for new paint dots (which they applied so they would know the fix had been done). Each time I found one, I asked for an explanation.

After Chrysler got their second bail-out in 2008, they ran advertisements something to the effect "We have to be better because you only get one second chance." With my Volare experience, I found that line particularly galling given that I remember putting up with their second chance and that they were on their third.

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Gary Dotson » Fri Dec 18, 2020 9:14 am

My time at the dealers was 74 to 78, an interesting time, for sure. Preparing a new car for delivery could get very interesting. Sometimes, you had to finish building it. You would, for sure, have to adjust all the windows and doors. The fancier the car, the more daunting the task. I once spent nearly a week preparing an Imperial for a very good customer. I had to go in deep, on that one! I had a car, one day, that was Dodge on the left side, Plymouth on the right. Behind a rear door liner, I found someone's lunch. I think we may have gotten off track here!

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Re: Vermeer 1600

Postby Jim Becker » Fri Dec 18, 2020 12:15 pm

I once heard of an Aspen that was a Volare on one side.

Back on topic, I never thought I had need for a wood chipper. But a few days ago I got to thinking I could really put one to use for about one day. My current approach is to toss the trimmings into the woods and hope that nature takes its course in a reasonable time. That seems to work better on some things than others.


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