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Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Wed May 12, 2021 7:35 pm

If I’ve been thinking I’ve lost my mojo working on mechanical stuff lately and today only added to it. I picked up a couple tractor projects and the old hay wagon. They all needed tubes and tires.
I had to tube a leaking front tubeless tire on the Ford N which went ok. I’ve done a lot of these in the past some were harder than others but the one I did today beat me. I picked up a new 3 rib 6.00-16 front tire which was tubeless but I got a tube because it’s going on the hay wagons spoked wheel. Getting the tire off and back on the rim was actually pretty easy, the trick was the tube.
I ended up mounting and dismounting the tire 6 times and I gave up. Each time I went to add air to the tube the valve would pull inside the rim. I flipped the tube, shuffled it’s position inside the tire and it didn’t matter the damned thing would pull out of my grasp and disappear inside the rim.
I never had one do this before.
I’m planning on calling my tire guy tomorrow to see if I can get a tube with the threaded valve that has a nut that locks the valve to the rim.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby MiCarl » Wed May 12, 2021 9:04 pm

It's not clear to me from your description if you're getting air in the tube and then it pulls away or if you're not getting enough grip to get any air in.

If you're getting air in the tube and the valve stem pulls in at an angle the valve on that tube is probably not in the correct orientation for your wheel.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby tst » Wed May 12, 2021 9:08 pm

they make a valve puller, you thread it to the tube through the hole, has a chain on it so when its mounted you just pull the valve in place

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Re: Tube issues

Postby Eugene » Wed May 12, 2021 9:50 pm

tst wrote:they make a valve puller, you thread it to the tube through the hole, has a chain on it so when its mounted you just pull the valve in place
Yup. Very useful. Search for valve stem fishing tool. - - Local auto parts store.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby outdoors4evr » Thu May 13, 2021 5:02 am

I've used needle nose vice grips (GENTLY) on the valve stem to hold it while filling the tube.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu May 13, 2021 6:12 am

tst wrote:they make a valve puller, you thread it to the tube through the hole, has a chain on it so when its mounted you just pull the valve in place

I’ve got that and used it to pull the valve in place but have to remove it to add air. Add air and it pulls inside the rim.
Tried the needle nosed pliers too.
Six times I tried to reorientate the position of the tube inside the tire and each time the valve stem pulled inside.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Rick Spivey » Thu May 13, 2021 7:02 am

Your tube probably has the valve stem in the middle, while your rim valve stem hole is oriented toward the outside. I don't know how else to describe it to my tire guy, but yours can probably find you the correct tube. The ones sold at TSC and the like generally have this issue.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu May 13, 2021 7:44 am

Rick Spivey wrote:Your tube probably has the valve stem in the middle, while your rim valve stem hole is oriented toward the outside. I don't know how else to describe it to my tire guy, but yours can probably find you the correct tube. The ones sold at TSC and the like generally have this issue.

Maybe, actually I think your right. You’d think once the air is in it’d push the valve firmly in its seat. Never seen one do this before.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu May 13, 2021 10:17 am

I brought the wheel, tire and tube to my guy Mike “The tire geek”. He said the tube I had was the right one and he asked too if I put a vice grip on the valve. I asked if he had the tubes with the metal valve which he did and took mine in exchange. It cost a couple bucks more and though he said don’t worry about it I left a five on the counter.
This tube has the metal valve with a threaded clamp ring to prevent the valve from getting pulled back in. I’d say it should be fool proof but I can be a pretty good fool sometimes :roll: so we’ll see.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Dale Finch » Thu May 13, 2021 11:17 am

Since you were there, you should have just asked HIM to do the installation...worth the bucks, in my opinion...for what THAT's worth!!! :lol:
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Mht » Thu May 13, 2021 11:56 am

Something I found out when replacing some tubes is that the new tubes I found have a different style valve stem than the original. The new tube stems are straight and not tapered like the original. My tire guy pointed it out to me and suggested I needed new rims because the holes were too big. I did a little research and found some bushings at napa that pop into the holes in the rim and reduce the size so the new tube valve stems don’t move around and prematurely cause a leak. If I remember correctly they were called a TR 13 valve stem bushing. A bag of 10 was only a couple of dollars but my napa did have to order them as they didn’t have them on the shelf. A tube with a metal stem and nut is probably a better solution but I haven’t found any tubes of that style

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Re: Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu May 13, 2021 6:16 pm

Installing the new tube was a night and day difference. I slipped the tube inside the tire, put the stem in place and screwed the ring down that holds it in place. I popped the bead back in place, (plenty of practice :roll:) and gradually added air a little at a time.
Done ! :worthy:
I don’t think it took me 15 minutes.
Feeling like my mojo is coming back :lol:
Any tubes I buy from now on will be threaded with a retaining ring like this was.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Lt.Mike » Thu May 13, 2021 6:20 pm

Mht wrote:Something I found out when replacing some tubes is that the new tubes I found have a different style valve stem than the original. The new tube stems are straight and not tapered like the original. My tire guy pointed it out to me and suggested I needed new rims because the holes were too big. I did a little research and found some bushings at napa that pop into the holes in the rim and reduce the size so the new tube valve stems don’t move around and prematurely cause a leak. If I remember correctly they were called a TR 13 valve stem bushing. A bag of 10 was only a couple of dollars but my napa did have to order them as they didn’t have them on the shelf. A tube with a metal stem and nut is probably a better solution but I haven’t found any tubes of that style

Ive got a handful of them Mike gave me one of the prior trips I made there. The front cub, A, and SA rims are good examples of ones that need them.
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Re: Tube issues

Postby Gary Dotson » Fri May 14, 2021 7:30 am

Sometimes those bushings are supplied with new tubes, anyway, any tire shop will have them on hand.


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