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Backing a hay wagon

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Jun 01, 2021 11:29 am

I’ve always considered myself pretty good at backing down a trailer, large or small, most any vehicle but backing a hay wagon is proving to be a whole nuther game. ;)
The tongue swings on the drawbar and the front axle turns the front wheels.
Right now I avoid getting into a position I can’t pull forward from but I know that day will come when I’ll have no choice but to back it out.
Anyone have any simple tips to back one of these?
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby tst » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:00 pm

practice

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Bill Hudson » Tue Jun 01, 2021 2:31 pm

tst wrote:practice


You betcha! A very flexible neck for looking over your shoulder is very helpful. Learning to back a wagon is like learning to ride a bicycle, once you have learned it becomes reflex action. :)

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby ScottyD'sdad » Tue Jun 01, 2021 5:38 pm

A front mounted hitch, on the tractor, like Barnyard sells for cubs, makes it easier on the neck.

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Lt.Mike » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:19 pm

Bill Hudson wrote:
tst wrote:practice


You betcha! A very flexible neck for looking over your shoulder is very helpful. Learning to back a wagon is like learning to ride a bicycle, once you have learned it becomes reflex action. :)

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I can back a trailer with my eyes closed but this wagon doesn’t react anywhere near the same.
Honestly I don’t know where to start on it.
I guess I’ve got to get to a wide open area to see how it reacts to steering.
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby MiCarl » Tue Jun 01, 2021 8:55 pm

This is a skill I have in small quantity. I'm also proficient with trailers.

What I find helps me is to imagine the wagon as two trailers - front axle and rear axle. I think about what the front wagon axle needs to do to back the rest of the wagon (the trailer). Since backing the first trailer (front axle) is pretty much an automatic skill I can focus on the rear of the wagon.

Still pretty easy to make a knot of it though.

It helps to practice on a tractor with power steering. Easy to lose track of things when you have to turn to get both hands on the steering wheel to fight it around.
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Jim Becker » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:33 pm

I'm not that great at it either. But here are the three things that I find key to it:
1) The tractor needs to be an extension of your arms. You need to be able to back the bare tractor without thinking about it.
2) You need to know how to move the wagon tongue to push it by hand it into any place you want.
3) Never let your eyes off the tongue while using the tractor to push the wagon back.

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Eugene » Tue Jun 01, 2021 9:34 pm

Some of our tractors had a hitch mounted on the front end. Much easier to back a wagon when you are going forward.
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby ajhbike » Wed Jun 02, 2021 6:12 am

I worked at a boat yard as a teen and had to learn as part of the job was moving hundreds of trailers. New F150 has the enhanced back up system which also helps. That being said I usually use the TO35 around the house with a front mount ball...super easy.
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Gary Dotson » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:18 am

Like many of you, I’ve done a good bit of trailer backing but a wagon is a whole other animal. Practice and more practice. Start with the rig as straight as you can and try not to let it get away from you, if it does, you start over. I have a friend who is amazing at wagon backing, he’s won several contests.

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby Ike » Wed Jun 02, 2021 7:42 am

You have to swing the wagon tongue in the same direction that you want the tail of the wagon to go. The opposite of a trailer.

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby cubbrian » Wed Jun 02, 2021 8:08 am

Backing becomes even more difficult if the tie rods and tongue of the wagon are wore out.

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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby dgrapes59 » Wed Jun 02, 2021 10:15 am

I've had very little experience backing that type of trailer, but one thing I have learned about backing up any trailer is....
If someone is watching I have all kinds of trouble :shock: if I'm by myself, I could probably maneuver through an obstacle course :D

With some practice, I'm sure you will figure it out, good luck,
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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby T-Mo » Thu Jun 03, 2021 4:19 am

ajhbike wrote:I worked at a boat yard as a teen and had to learn as part of the job was moving hundreds of trailers. New F150 has the enhanced back up system which also helps. That being said I usually use the TO35 around the house with a front mount ball...super easy.


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Re: Backing a hay wagon

Postby outdoors4evr » Thu Jun 03, 2021 7:28 am

Point your front tires the direction you want the wagon to go. Make large radius turns (don't crank steering wheel far at first).
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