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Hydraulic oil

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 27, 2023 5:14 pm

Anyone ever hear of Case Powergard HTF hydraulic oil?

I am looking for the oil specification to compare / cross reference!

I can not find any reference to this oil with a few hours combing the internet.

Machine is a Case 360 trencher!

I called the dealer where I bought the machine with no luck. They quit being a dealer for Case when Case sold off the trencher division.

Case sold out to Astec, and it looks like Astec dropped the trenchers completely! :(

Crazy since the trencher line-up is probably the best products Case ever had!
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby Jim Becker » Thu Apr 27, 2023 6:24 pm

I don't see Case Powergard HTF but do see Case Powergard PTF. I assume "HTF" represents hydraulic tractor fluid. "PTF" is premium tractor fluid. References I found seem to treat "Case Powergard PTF" and "MS-1206" as saying the same thing. It looks like you can use any of the Hy-Tran equivalents and be fine. Look at the applications on this page for one of the several examples out there:
http://www.hartlandlubes.com/wp-content ... 0001-1.pdf
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 27, 2023 8:36 pm

Not knowing for sure, but I was thinking HTF stood for Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid.

The Case 360 trencher uses a axial piston pump and axial piston motor for motion (forward / reverse), and two gear pumps for all other hydraulic functions.
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby Jim Becker » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:05 pm

Hydrostatic Transmission Fluid -- quite possible. In any case, looks like Hy-Tran equivalent is the right answer.
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:06 pm

I just run accross a newer version of the owners manual from the Astec company.

It says use "Astec Hydraulic Transmission Fluid" in the hydraulic system. Naturally no specifications given!
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:15 pm

I been using Deere hy-gard. But seems I have a problem there is water getting in the oil!

Unacceptable for a machine that spends most of its life in a building

279 hours on the last hydraulic oil change!
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby Jim Becker » Thu Apr 27, 2023 9:33 pm

SamsFarm wrote:It says use "Astec Hydraulic Transmission Fluid" in the hydraulic system. Naturally no specifications given!

That figures. If Ford had bought it, they would have probably changed the recommendation to Type F ATF.
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Re: Hydraulic oil

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Apr 27, 2023 10:15 pm

Jim Becker wrote:That figures. If Ford had bought it, they would have probably changed the recommendation to Type F ATF.


It does say type F is ok substitute!

But I never see 5 gallon buckets of atf.
Resivoir is listed @ 9.3gal. The whole system is probably close to 15
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