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Re: Head Removal

Postby goxu1 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 7:24 am

I was out in the shed this evening trying to wriggle the head up off the bolts
It is tight on just one bolt in the centre rear
I've got it up about 1/4" so far
Any tips or tricks to force the head up without damaging anything?
Cripes - I thought I'd never get one.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby Gary Dotson » Wed Jan 11, 2023 8:23 am

If you’re up 1/4”, you’re on your way. Keep using penetrating fluid and proceed as carefully as you can. Use flat pry bars to minimize gouging.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby Stoffregen Motorsports » Wed Jan 11, 2023 10:47 am

I will slip a putty knife under the prybar to keep from scratching the head gasket surface.

And do not use anti seize. You need to use thread sealer. There is a special sealer for head bolts that you can get at any auto supply store. It does not harden and allows you to re-torque the head later on without destroying the sealant on the threads.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby Matt Kirsch » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:29 pm

Plastic felling wedges will not mar the surface. Wood wedges won't either. If you've got it up 1/4" you are golden. Your biggest issue right now is the head isn't perfectly parallel to the block.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby goxu1 » Wed Jan 11, 2023 12:43 pm

I suspect that when I drilled the head off one of recessed bolts I've burned the top of the shaft causing it to bind up
Cripes - I thought I'd never get one.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby rednax » Wed Jan 11, 2023 3:10 pm

If it were me, I would evenly heat the block and then use a breaker bar with a cheater bar on it while the block is hot. If it breaks, weld a nut on top of the bolt. Make sure that you protect the deck of the block from spatter from welding.
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Re: Head Removal

Postby Jim Becker » Wed Jan 11, 2023 5:55 pm

I would insert your wedges, or whatever your preferred tools are at this point, but only insert far enough to get a bite later, Then tap the head back down an 1/8 inch or however far you can go. Then start a fresh go at prying it up.

This is equivalent to reversing direction while attempting to unscrew a stuck bolt that has started to move.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby goxu1 » Thu Jan 12, 2023 5:52 am

Just come inside from the shed. Mozzies are starting to bite
Anyway , a small win with the head coming off without to much trouble
The real battle now begins.
Do you think penetrant will do any good now ?
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Re: Head Removal

Postby Jeff Silvey » Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:08 am

Well Mate your getting closer. I would put penetrating stuff you like on all bolts to help. With the long bolt get them loose, then work back & forth to get them out. Good lock.
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Re: Head Removal

Postby Gary Dotson » Thu Jan 12, 2023 8:23 am

The bolts, that broke, we’re actually seized in the bolt hole, of the head itself. They will probably come out easily, now. Spray them down again and see if vice grips will do the job. How many of them are broken? You might have a new record, there.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby staninlowerAL » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:33 am

Looks like a good candidate to weld a nut on to the bolts to try that method. Maybe try one of the short ones to see how it works. Some folks here swear that is the most effective way to do it when you have good access. JMHO
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Re: Head Removal

Postby Greenthumbfarms » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:36 am

You will have a much better chance of the penetrant reaching the threads now. If it will budge a little, and gets stuck, you can spray and wiggle back and forth. Spray, wiggle. It helps the penetrant to work into the threads
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Re: Head Removal

Postby Stoffregen Motorsports » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:53 am

goxu1 wrote:Just come inside from the shed. Mozzies are starting to bite
Anyway , a small win with the head coming off without to much trouble
The real battle now begins.
Do you think penetrant will do any good now ?


Nice work. You do have a massive challenge ahead of you still.

Honestly, if you've got time to wait, I would do a little heat and spray every day for a week before you attempt to remove any of those bolts.

For the ones that are broken close to the block, your only course of action is to drill them. BE CAREFUL when drilling. Keep as close to the center of the bolt as possible. If the drill bit starts walking, angle it to get it back to center. Drill all the way through the broken bolt if you can and then spray more penetrating oil into the hole.

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Re: Head Removal

Postby SamsFarm » Thu Jan 12, 2023 10:56 am

How any penetrant is expected to work on a thread that "supposedly" sealed to prevent antifreeze from leaking out is beyond me!

Man, I can not believe the number of torqued off head screws there....... :shock:

Gary Dotson wrote:How many of them are broken? You might have a new record, there.


Looks like the lucky number 13. :(


Maybe someone used red lock-tite as a thread sealer too!

"Mozzies" eh? :lol:
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Re: Head Removal

Postby tmays » Thu Jan 12, 2023 11:23 am

If the bolt heads did actually break and weren’t cut, then I agree with Gary. May not be a problem. Welding a nut to the ones that won’t come out would be the next thing to do. But I will offer my opinion that penetrant does nothing in a case like this. It won’t get to the threads.
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