6 volt? 12 volt? yadda, yadda, yadda. Nobody expects the Spanish Inquisition, er... sorry, wrong thread. Nobody expects an 8 volt conversion. Yes, I am the proud owner of an 8 volt negative ground 1951 Cub.
Before I'm hanged for heresy, I did not do it. Apparently the PO decided that if 6 volts was good, 8 volts would be better. Below is a schematic of my existing electrical system.
For those among you with sharp eyes, you'll notice that the lights are not hooked up to anything. And before I hook them up, I expect to some time with Mr. Meter and confirm connections before power is applied. The reason for the question marks in the drawing is that I've never seen a coil that looks like the cylindrical object on my machine. But I've never seen a magneto before either.
So my questions are:
1. Did the PO just change the power and ground connections to make this a negative ground system? I was under the impression that that converting from positive ground to negative ground was a little more involved.
2. Does the drawing make sense as a functioning electrical system? BTW, the tractor starts and runs with this setup. I wasn't aware it was non-standard until I started hanging out with all you smart people.
3. I'm assuming that the square box really is a voltage regulator and that it and the generator are the original parts. If this is a generator/regulator setup, does that mean it has a coil rather than a magneto?
4. If the tractor starts and runs, do I need to do anything to this collection of electrical parts? Or is there anything I should do as preventive maintenance?
I'll get and post some pictures of the coil/magneto in a little bit.
Rick (the magic smoke might leak out!) Dulas
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Rick, they came out with an 8V battery some years back and several folks have installed them. Personally I think it's not needed providing you do normal maintenance and take care of your system.
The 8V battery system should work OK, although it may shorten the life of the lights and such.
The starter will be OK as well. All the extra 2 volts is giving you is a little "Boost" to turn the starter a bit faster.
I think most folks will state the same, if your existing system is operational and all there, the 6V system will work fine as long as you do the normal maintenance. If you are wanting to run 12V accesories such as sprayer pumps and such, then a 12V conversion is a good idea, or if your gen is bad, switching to a 12V alt is a good idea at times.
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The 8V battery system should work OK, although it may shorten the life of the lights and such.
The starter will be OK as well. All the extra 2 volts is giving you is a little "Boost" to turn the starter a bit faster.
I think most folks will state the same, if your existing system is operational and all there, the 6V system will work fine as long as you do the normal maintenance. If you are wanting to run 12V accesories such as sprayer pumps and such, then a 12V conversion is a good idea, or if your gen is bad, switching to a 12V alt is a good idea at times.
Just my .02 worth.
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As long as it works, I would leave it as is, unless you subscribe to "Correct Police Monthly".
Yes, the square box would be a regulator, and since you show 2 wires on the "kill" switch it would be an ignition switch with a distributor, or converted magneto. standard magneto woudl only have a one wire switch to ground it out.
Converting from + to - ground requires reversing the battery cables, reversing the ammeter leads, and polarizing the generator. With a regulator, I believe it may require a different one also, but not sure.
Yes, the square box would be a regulator, and since you show 2 wires on the "kill" switch it would be an ignition switch with a distributor, or converted magneto. standard magneto woudl only have a one wire switch to ground it out.
Converting from + to - ground requires reversing the battery cables, reversing the ammeter leads, and polarizing the generator. With a regulator, I believe it may require a different one also, but not sure.
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Your wiring diagram from the regulator to the generator doesn't appear to be correct.
The conversion consisted of a slight tweeking on the 6 volt voltage regulator, installation of an 8 volt battery and the polarization.
Someone had a purpose for installing the 8 volt battery.
If you have access to an operator's manual, it contains photos of the magneto and battery ignition systems.
Maintenance is the same as the 6 or 12 volt generator driven systems.
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Your wiring diagram from the regulator to the generator doesn't appear to be correct.
The conversion consisted of a slight tweeking on the 6 volt voltage regulator, installation of an 8 volt battery and the polarization.
Someone had a purpose for installing the 8 volt battery.
If you have access to an operator's manual, it contains photos of the magneto and battery ignition systems.
Maintenance is the same as the 6 or 12 volt generator driven systems.
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Having grown up at an IH dealership, I can assure you that installing an 8-volt battery was a common practice, especially in colder climates. When the charging systems in cubs get older, and weak, the easiest thing to do is up the voltage slightly. It is not a "fix" but it does work. I have heard that it could shorten the life of electrical components.
Personally, I would leave it alone if it works.
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Personally, I would leave it alone if it works.
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Thanks for helping to ease my concern over an 8 volt system. Once I get it running again, I'll check the generator output and see if everything is as it should be.
As far as plans for 12 volt accessories, nothing that I can think of needing at the moment. As soon as I can get into the ihregistry, I'll check out the wiring diagrams.
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Thanks for helping to ease my concern over an 8 volt system. Once I get it running again, I'll check the generator output and see if everything is as it should be.
As far as plans for 12 volt accessories, nothing that I can think of needing at the moment. As soon as I can get into the ihregistry, I'll check out the wiring diagrams.
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I have seen 8 volt batteries in old cars a few times.
Seems to help crank it over a little faster especially after extended periods of sitting.
No changes to the electrical system were made, have not heard of it burning out lights faster, maybe it is and the owners don't notice it.
I'm putting one in a Model A I'm working on, was told by A guys it
is just a battery bolt in. It'll be a few years before it's on the road.
Seems to help crank it over a little faster especially after extended periods of sitting.
No changes to the electrical system were made, have not heard of it burning out lights faster, maybe it is and the owners don't notice it.
I'm putting one in a Model A I'm working on, was told by A guys it
is just a battery bolt in. It'll be a few years before it's on the road.
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