my serial number plate has nothing left on it save for the stamped serial number and RPM. # 119306 putting it at the end of 1950. casting codes indicate mid november casting (trans, torque tube, final drive) but the radiator support indicates a 'B' 1956 code.
so the serial number tag must have changed at some point long ago (1950 serial number on a 1956 support).
i wanted to be sure that i got the correct tag style from OEM, so i started checking a few things.
the existing tag is a new style tag determined solely by the position of the serial number.
my '48 cub #43296 has the old style tag.
and Guy Fay's letter series book showing 'the first cub' driven by an IH exec (and i immediately assumed to be #501) has NO serial tag or discernable rivit holes!
Before i get an incorrect tag style, at what serial number did the style change?
And how come #501 is not sporting a tag
This site uses cookies to maintain login information on FarmallCub.Com. Click the X in the banner upper right corner to close this notice. For more information on our privacy policy, visit this link: Privacy Policy
NEW REGISTERED MEMBERS: Be sure to check your SPAM/JUNK folders for the activation email.
serial number plate
Forum rules
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
Notice: For sale and wanted posts are not allowed in this forum. Please use our free classifieds or one of our site sponsors for your tractor and parts needs.
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
serial number plate
'If they're tappin', they're not burnin'
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 5234
- Joined: Mon Jan 26, 2004 10:53 am
- Zip Code: 28521
- Tractors Owned: Collector of Super As, Corn Pickers, and a buncha other junk. Even a Cub now and then...
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: NC, Jacksonville area
Look at that pic of #501 closely--It looks to me like there is something there, I think the tag had been masked off for paint and the masking hadn't been removed yet.
Can you just buy the rivets for the tags? I will have to remove the tag on my Super A to repair the seat bracket. I want to use the same type of fastener to re-attach it.
Al
Can you just buy the rivets for the tags? I will have to remove the tag on my Super A to repair the seat bracket. I want to use the same type of fastener to re-attach it.
Al
White Demo Super A Restoration Updates
Let us pray for farmers and all who prepare the soil for planting, that the seeds they sow may lead to a bountiful harvest.
Celebrating 75 years of the Super A: 1947-2022
Let us pray for farmers and all who prepare the soil for planting, that the seeds they sow may lead to a bountiful harvest.
Celebrating 75 years of the Super A: 1947-2022
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 7013
- Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 9:36 pm
- Zip Code: 43420
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: OHIO, Fremont
Art,
If you have access to the Letourneau book "Farmall Cub Photo Archive", you'll see that many of the Cubs shown don't have tags... including the first production one, as shown on page 11. Some of the tractors shown may have been pre-production prototypes, but #501? Maybe its' tag is mounted elsewhere? Just a guess.
Many of the photos of pre-productions Cubs were taken in 1945.
If you have access to the Letourneau book "Farmall Cub Photo Archive", you'll see that many of the Cubs shown don't have tags... including the first production one, as shown on page 11. Some of the tractors shown may have been pre-production prototypes, but #501? Maybe its' tag is mounted elsewhere? Just a guess.
Many of the photos of pre-productions Cubs were taken in 1945.
George Willer
http://gwill.net
The most affectionate creature in the world is a wet dog. Ambrose Bierce
http://gwill.net
The most affectionate creature in the world is a wet dog. Ambrose Bierce
-
- Team Cub
- Posts: 17279
- Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:59 pm
- Zip Code: 55319
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MN
The page 11 picture looks to me too like there is some masking still over the plate. That book has a very high percentage of pre-production tractor pictures. Looking through it just now, virtually every one I noticed with no plate could be confirmed as a pe-production tractor.
I have a pictue of a '49 tag (early style) and a '51 (later style). Chances are very high that you have the original plate and somebody went to the trouble of moving it to a new replacement casting.
I have a pictue of a '49 tag (early style) and a '51 (later style). Chances are very high that you have the original plate and somebody went to the trouble of moving it to a new replacement casting.
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 568
- Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:15 pm
- Location: Brooklyn, Swissconsin
I know where serial number 501 Cub is and if you like I will go over and take a picture of it .
Mike
Mike
30 + tractors including 2 French Super Cubs, French Cubs, 1963 Industrial Cub, 1955 Cub Highcrop etc...German and French built IH tractors and some bigger IH tractors. Of course I have about 20 IH trucks and an IH refridge in the Shop.
-
- 10+ Years
- Posts: 568
- Joined: Wed Feb 05, 2003 11:15 pm
- Location: Brooklyn, Swissconsin
The serial number plate was put on after the tractor was painted.
So they would not of masked off.
Mike
So they would not of masked off.
Mike
30 + tractors including 2 French Super Cubs, French Cubs, 1963 Industrial Cub, 1955 Cub Highcrop etc...German and French built IH tractors and some bigger IH tractors. Of course I have about 20 IH trucks and an IH refridge in the Shop.
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Thanks, all.
Jim, you answered my question. given the 1956 casting code on the rad support, i was wondering if a new # tag was installed at the same time. but if a 51 carried the 'new' style, then i'm pretty safe in using it on my late 50.
any demo tractors out there using the newer style?
i wasn't thinking about pre production units as i was looking through photos, and of course, adding the tag after makes sense. that's what i'll do.
Mike, i knew 501 was around someplace, a current picture sometime might be of interest to all.
Jim, you answered my question. given the 1956 casting code on the rad support, i was wondering if a new # tag was installed at the same time. but if a 51 carried the 'new' style, then i'm pretty safe in using it on my late 50.
any demo tractors out there using the newer style?
i wasn't thinking about pre production units as i was looking through photos, and of course, adding the tag after makes sense. that's what i'll do.
Mike, i knew 501 was around someplace, a current picture sometime might be of interest to all.
'If they're tappin', they're not burnin'
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 23701
- Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:09 pm
- Zip Code: 63664
- Tractors Owned: 47, 48, 49 cub plus Wagner loader & other attachments. 41 Farmall H.
- Location: Mo, Potosi
Mike Schmudlach wrote:I know where serial number 501 Cub is and if you like I will go over and take a picture of it .
Mike
Mike, I think we'd all like to see it. If the owner didn't object, I expect Dennis would be more than willing to put it in the photo archives.
If you are not part of the solution,
you are part of the problem!!!
you are part of the problem!!!
-
- Site Admin
- Posts: 3955
- Joined: Sat Feb 01, 2003 9:53 pm
- Zip Code: 64075
- Tractors Owned: 1947 Farmall Cub
104 Cub Cadet
Cub Cadet Original - Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MO, Oak Grove
Mike, I think we'd all like to see it. If the owner didn't object, I expect Dennis would be more than willing to put it in the photo archives.
Absolutely
Proud Member
Are you a member? Copy this code below and paste it in your signature to display it proudly!
Passed the "Circle of Safety" test? Add your signature badge using What is the Circle of Safety
Are you a member? Copy this code below and paste it in your signature to display it proudly!
Code: Select all
[url=http://nationalihcollectors.com/index.html][img]http://farmallcub.com/images/ihcc.jpg[/img][/url]
Passed the "Circle of Safety" test? Add your signature badge using
Code: Select all
[cos][/cos]
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Binder Books was kind enough (in exchange for my VISA# ) a copy of Guy's new number series book. Left my truck unlocked, but I don't live in Swissconsin
RPM change to rated 1800 was in early 1956., according to Guy.
my existing SN tag, mounted on a 1956 rad support, says 1800. So, i gather from that info that the dealer installed a new rad support on this tractor in the late '50's and the dealer installed a new SN tag after field stamping the customers old SN.
George: what style did your Demo Tractor carry that, coupled with Jim's info, would put me 'for sure' in the 'new style' type tag.
But i'll ask OEM to stamp my new tag with the correct 1600 RPM.
Thanks to Guy Fay for the terrific book and the info
RPM change to rated 1800 was in early 1956., according to Guy.
my existing SN tag, mounted on a 1956 rad support, says 1800. So, i gather from that info that the dealer installed a new rad support on this tractor in the late '50's and the dealer installed a new SN tag after field stamping the customers old SN.
George: what style did your Demo Tractor carry that, coupled with Jim's info, would put me 'for sure' in the 'new style' type tag.
But i'll ask OEM to stamp my new tag with the correct 1600 RPM.
Thanks to Guy Fay for the terrific book and the info
'If they're tappin', they're not burnin'
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
-
- Team Cub
- Posts: 17279
- Joined: Sun Feb 02, 2003 2:59 pm
- Zip Code: 55319
- Circle of Safety: Y
- Location: MN
artc wrote:RPM change to rated 1800 was in early 1956., according to Guy.
Guy and I have been going around on that point for some time and still don't have a meeting of the minds.
He got the '56 information out of something in the archives. The I&T Red Books didn't show 1800 until '58. The serial plates showed 1800 much earlier.
The distinction may be between rpm for rated hp and maximum idle rpm (which is what the serial plate lists).
Here are '49 and '51 plates that both list 1800rpm.
I still think your original serial plate got moved from the old casting to the new one.
-
- Cub Pro
- Posts: 1871
- Joined: Sun Mar 30, 2003 10:25 am
- Zip Code: 06457
- eBay ID: cmtelephone
- Tractors Owned: Restored: 1950 Cub, 1950 Cub Demo, 1948 super AI, 1935 Silver King, 1946 Oliver 60 RC, John Deere M, 1950 C demo.
In working clothes:
1950 cub, 1948 cub, 1941 A, 1948 H, 1963 B414, 1958 240U, 1947 Oliver 60 industrial, Oliver 70 industrial. IH 450, 1963, another 1948 cub, 1946 I6 with Trogan front blade. - Location: CT, Middletown
Jim thanks for the photos. i wasn't convinced myself that the SN# was field stamped - the job looks too perfect for a 'by hand'.
the folks at OEM no doubt think i'm crazy about now, after i changed the order back to 1800 RPM.
i'm not looking for perfect, but trying at least to do a respectable long lasting, job.
the folks at OEM no doubt think i'm crazy about now, after i changed the order back to 1800 RPM.
i'm not looking for perfect, but trying at least to do a respectable long lasting, job.
'If they're tappin', they're not burnin'
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
http://www.ZagrayFarmMuseum.org
-
- Similar Topics
- Replies
- Views
- Last post
-
- 8
- 287
-
by Barnyard
Sun Oct 31, 2021 10:07 pm
-
- 30
- 851
-
by Pap
Fri Jun 11, 2021 11:39 am
-
- 13
- 274
-
by Dale Finch
Tue Jul 26, 2022 8:35 pm
-
- 10
- 386
-
by ricky racer
Fri Dec 01, 2023 7:58 pm
-
- 6
- 188
-
by Barnyard
Sat Jul 22, 2023 8:43 am
Who is online
Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 2 guests